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Thread: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I agree but if our particular vices have made Latin Americans living peacefully in their own homes I wondering do we have a duty to either help make their homes livable again or offer them new homes is all I was asking.
    How far do we take it? If we were to suddenly become 100% virtuous and stop drug use completely, would we then owe drug people retraining? Their sudden lack of "employment" would be our fault, too.

    Like I said earlier, I empathize with them, but no. What's missing from the conversation is what level of responsibility do people have for their own situation. There's always going to be outside influences pushing and pulling of some kind, legal or illegal.
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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How far do we take it? If we were to suddenly become 100% virtuous and stop drug use completely, would we then owe drug people retraining? Their sudden lack of "employment" would be our fault, too.

    Like I said earlier, I empathize with them, but no. What's missing from the conversation is what level of responsibility do people have for their own situation. There's always going to be outside influences pushing and pulling of some kind, legal or illegal.
    Several factors would come into play I think:

    1. Are we responsible for the problem?
    2. Are the victims (in this case refugees) innocent?
    3. Is the problem significant?
    4. Do we care or are we the type of people willing to send people back to where they came from to likely face death?

    In the case if those profiting from the illegal drug industry, I wouldn't call them innocent.

    I'm not saying there are any easy solutions. The world is messed up. I just personally feel for people who are trying to save themselves and their children from being gunned down by drug cartels. What's especially troubling is our own drug demand created those conditions in their home countries.
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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why did you phrase your question differently from the thread title?
    I thought I was simply asking the same question differently. Sorry for any confusion.
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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Generally,anyone who tries to enter and stay in the USA as a refugee has to pass through a legal process.




    Except when President Obama says that the law doesn't apply.

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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    I'd be curious what Mexican law had to say about people passing through their country.

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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I thought I was simply asking the same question differently. Sorry for any confusion.
    Not sure why you would want to do that, but whatever.
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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I was watching a report this morning on the influx of illegal immigrants. They interviewed one lady who said the reason she and her children entered America was to escape the danger of living in her own country that is now controlled by drug cartels. It dawned on me, the drug cartels exist because of the American market and demand for illegal drugs. A huge often unspoken cause of the illegal immigration problem is possibly American-made; our demand for illegal drugs that have made their country uninhabitable due to the organized crime culture that now exists in their country. If American vices have inadvertently created a drug cartel controlled war zone in their country, do we have a moral obligation to offer the otherwise law abiding citizens of those affected countries sanctuary as refugees?
    We do not owe them anything.

    That being said one of the best things we could do for botrh nations is to legalize drugs.

    There are many reasons for people to illegally immigrate to the US but yes the violence and danger from drug cartels is a big one. Legalize drugs and the cartels lose their power and then the government of Mexico can eventually start acting like a real government. This of course will take away one motive for illegal immigration. Hopefully over time Mexico and other nations can eventually improve their own nations enough to motivate their people to stay ( a long shot I know ).

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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Not sure why you would want to do that, but whatever.
    There are limits on the number of characters you can have in a title of a thread whereas in the body of a post you have more freedom to get more detailed. Plus in writing some people suggest wording things differently as you go to redundancy unless you're trying to do so specifically for emphasis.
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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    And how is that so, cause it sure ain't the farmers doing the trafficking:
    Because the farmers are illiterate dirt herders who grow the raw poppy, and have no experience outside of their crappy little homesteads, and taxing them and running the actual lines (or providing "protection" to those that do) is a major source of Taliban and Haqqanni funding?

    The poppy farmers are doing the trafficking in the same manner that a slave-child in China is designing Apple products.


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    Re: Does the US owe otherwise law abiding Latin Americans sancuary from druglords?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'd be curious what Mexican law had to say about people passing through their country.
    if you are caught illegally immigrating into Mexico from the South they treat you as a criminal and forcibly deport you. Also, they have a fence. Because illegal immigration is wrong.

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