View Poll Results: Should there be sex offense convictions based on accusers word without corroboration?

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Thread: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is safe to say that there have been several prosecutors who knowingly allowed innocent people to die or spend their life in prison so the DA won't risk losing the next election. They should be charged with murder when there is good evidence that they withheld evidence or otherwise knowingly allowed an innocent person to be wrongly convicted.
    Please list the ones this has happened to.

    I realize our system of justice isn't perfect, but I think overall the people who run it are doing the best they can.
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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    There are 774,600 Registered Sex Offenders in the U.S. and its Territories. About 220,000 sex offenders are in prisons and jails and about 12,000 more are in involuntary commitment institutions. Many or most of these offenders have been convicted on the accuser's word without other corroboration. Before mid 1980s corroboration was needed for conviction. Many sex offense prosecutors consider the ability to convict without corroboration a great victory. On the other hand, only about 16% of the accused are convicted.



    In my opinion, corroborative evidence should be required for criminal convictions -- especially if the punishment is life long. Nevertheless, my opinion may be in minority.
    That sounds like Sharia law...in Sharia a woman can not claim rape unless it was witnessed.



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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Please list who has been convicted on 'a mere accusation.' Having worked with many victims, I know of no instance where there was a 'witness' to the event as rapists don't rape in front of other people. However, the victims have been questioned, and requestioned by, not only authorities, but also people who are experts at the manifestations of that type of trauma. Some were incested and impregnated by their fathers and the children were DNA tested and shown to be their father's children. You may think incest is quite OK without a witness, but in the states where I have lived and work it is illegal and if the woman is a minor, then that is statutory rape even if the victim is willing, which they are not. Deal with it. And keep it in your pants if you don't want to go to jail for rape.
    I have known of cases (not specifically rape) where people have been convicted solely on the word of a single other person.

    I haven't objected to DNA-proof.

    I'm not sexually active.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I have known of cases (not specifically rape) where people have been convicted solely on the word of a single other person.

    I haven't objected to DNA-proof.

    I'm not sexually active.
    Please list those cases. That should not be difficult as crimes are public record.
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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Please list those cases. That should not be difficult as crimes are public record.
    I don't know enough about the cases I've heard of to find the records for them.

    See here though:

    The Innocence Project - Reevaluating Lineups: Why Witnesses Make Mistakes and How to Reduce the Chance of a Misidentification

    The word of a single witness is legally sufficient for conviction.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I don't know enough about the cases I've heard of to find the records for them.

    See here though:

    The Innocence Project - Reevaluating Lineups: Why Witnesses Make Mistakes and How to Reduce the Chance of a Misidentification

    The word of a single witness is legally sufficient for conviction.
    So what you are posting is nothing more than gossip and conjecture.
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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So what you are posting is nothing more than gossip and conjecture.
    It's a well-established legal principle in this country that a single witness's testimony is legally sufficient to establish the thing testified to as true, except in cases of treason or perjury.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Two simple rules:
    1. Don't have sex with drunk chicks.
    2. If the girl acts apprehensive or anything of the like... don't have sex with her.

    Those two rules will keep most men out of the situation of being accused of any sexual crimes.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Your poll is begging the question.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Having worked with many victims, I know of no instance where there was a 'witness' to the event as rapists don't rape in front of other people. However, the victims have been questioned, and requestioned by, not only authorities, but also people who are experts at the manifestations of that type of trauma.
    Fortunately I have never been the victim and I have never been the accused.

    As a victim advocate you probably have more knowledge then I do.

    But a sex offense defense attorney may have as many horror stories -- how they lost innocent clients to conviction.

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