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Thread: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Convicting a person in the absence of multiple witnesses (or other proof ) is an injustice to the accused. It is better that a guilty man go free then that an innocent man be punished.



    No I didn't say that.



    Having multiple witnesses (the victim can count as a witness) proves the matter to a reasonable certainty, in the absence of witness bias.

    So if you were going to rape someone, you would do it in front of multiple witnesses? Groovy.
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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So if you were going to rape someone, you would do it in front of multiple witnesses? Groovy.
    What are you talking about? If I were going to rape someone, I would change my mind.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What are you talking about? If I were going to rape someone, I would change my mind.
    But you seem to think it is quite reasonable that every rape would have a witness if it were, in fact, a rape. Really?
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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    But you seem to think it is quite reasonable that every rape would have a witness if it were, in fact, a rape. Really?
    That's not what I said. I said that it's unjust to convict people based on a mere accusation.

    Do you believe that people should be convicted of rape based only on the testimony of the victim?

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    You think a rapist engages witnesses? Really? You think that?
    In Canada, Australia, Scandinavia, UK(?) and France, if the only evidence is the accusers words, then they convict him of a much lesser offense. If the accused has prior offenses, or if there are witnesses saying that the accused has behaved violently at other times, then he would be found guilty as charged.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    You think a rapist engages witnesses? Really? You think that?
    In most cases there are witnesses that he behaved violently at other times.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    In my opinion, some prosecutors would not like it to be known that they made a mistake.
    It is safe to say that there have been several prosecutors who knowingly allowed innocent people to die or spend their life in prison so the DA won't risk losing the next election. They should be charged with murder when there is good evidence that they withheld evidence or otherwise knowingly allowed an innocent person to be wrongly convicted.

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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    That's not what I said. I said that it's unjust to convict people based on a mere accusation.

    Do you believe that people should be convicted of rape based only on the testimony of the victim?
    Please list who has been convicted on 'a mere accusation.' Having worked with many victims, I know of no instance where there was a 'witness' to the event as rapists don't rape in front of other people. However, the victims have been questioned, and requestioned by, not only authorities, but also people who are experts at the manifestations of that type of trauma. Some were incested and impregnated by their fathers and the children were DNA tested and shown to be their father's children. You may think incest is quite OK without a witness, but in the states where I have lived and work it is illegal and if the woman is a minor, then that is statutory rape even if the victim is willing, which they are not. Deal with it. And keep it in your pants if you don't want to go to jail for rape.
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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    In Canada, Australia, Scandinavia, UK(?) and France, if the only evidence is the accusers words, then they convict him of a much lesser offense. If the accused has prior offenses, or if there are witnesses saying that the accused has behaved violently at other times, then he would be found guilty as charged.
    Prior offenses are generally not admissible in US courts.
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    Re: Should those accused os sex offences be convicted on "he said she said" evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    In most cases there are witnesses that he behaved violently at other times.
    And those people are VERY reluctant and often refuse to come forward. Most will not because they will be put on trial too.
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