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    Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Complete

    Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Completely | Zero Hedge

    Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Completely

    "A few days ago, when we wrote our "explainer" on the need for Russia to have an alternative pathway for its gas, one which bypasses Ukraine entirely and as the current "South Stream" framework is set up, crosses the Black Sea and enters Bulgaria before passing Serbia and Hungary on the way to the Central European energy hub located in Baumgarten, Austria, we said that "one short month after Putin concluded the Holy Grail deal with Beijing, he not only managed to formalize his conquest of Europe's energy needs with yet another pipeline, one which completely bypasses Ukraine (for numerous reasons but mostly one: call it a Plan B), but scored a massive political victory by creating a fissure in the heart of the Eurozone, after Austria openly defied its European peers and sided with Putin.""
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    "In fact, the civil war torn country may soon lose all leverage it had with both Europe and Russia as a transit hub for natural gas, which also means that it is quite likely that Ukraine is about to be abandoned by its western allies who will no longer have any practical use for it.
    The Gazprom chief added that “a dozen Ukrainian laws need to be changed to be able to do something with the GTS.”
    Confirming that Ukraine's leverage at least with Russia is now effectively zero, Gazprom's CEO also said that “As for the continuation of negotiations with Ukraine, today there is no subject for talks. First, they must repay their debts."
    “The gas price for Ukraine is fair - this price is fixed in the contract,” he stressed.
    There have been no requests on the part of Ukraine’s national oil and gas company Naftogaz Ukrainy on a change of the transit deal with Russia, Alexei Miller said. Miller told journalists that it would be bad news if such requests had been received.
    At least we now know what the Ukraine endgame will look like: as Russian transit through the country is completely cut off, the nation will lose all strategic importance first to Russia and then to Europe, which is still over-reliant on Russian gas (see map below), but which will increasingly turn its attention to the countries which the South Stream passes through."

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    And speaking of South Stream countries, there is increasing speculation that the main reason why none other than the poorest EU member country, Bulgaria, just suffered its worst bank run in 17 years, and one which has paved the way to early elections, is precisely that: to provide Europe with a government which will be more focused on Brussels' interests, instead of the current socialist regime, whose allegiance to the Kremlin is said to take precedence.
    After all, now that Ukraine is yesterday's news, pay close attention to how Europe treats all the South Stream countries, starting with Bulgaria, and going through Serbia (read "Serbia could go bankrupt within a year and end up “in the position of Greece”, the country’s new prime minister has warned"), Hungary and of course, Austria.
    Finally, and perhaps most notably, is last week's announcement by Gazprom CEO Miller that Gazprom has good chance, and is interested in discussing buying a stake in the Baumgarten gas hub (see more on why Austria is suddenly so important to both Russia and Europe here).
    As Bloomberg reported previously, citing Miller, "The talks we had about South Stream also were a catalyst for the continuation of our talks about participating in the gas hub. We are interested and I think we can discuss a specific percentage of participation." The Russian gas producer and exporter discussed with OMV participating in gas trading in Baumgarten. Miller also added that work on South Stream link to Europe going on schedule, first deliveries to Bulgaria, Serbia, Turkey; capacity to reach 63bcm by end 2017.
    In other words, as Europe and the US remains still focused on Ukraine, the one place which now matters most for Europe's energy future is Austria: a country where Gazprom, and Putin of course, are quietly sowing the seeds of Russia's energy dominance tomorrow. As for the feeder countries, especially Bulgaria, pay close attention as the US "foreign service" does all it can to destabilize the local government and financial system as a last ditch attempt to wrest Russia's trump card out of its hand. Something tells us Putin will hardly let it go easily."

    Will Bulgaria, Serbia, etc. suffer regime change?
    Will Biden's son's Gas career be cut short?
    Has Ukraine shot itself in the foot?
    Putin has the jewel, Crimea, why does he need Ukraine?
    Perhaps the US and the EU can donate a couple billion dollars quarterly to help out Ukraine?
    Is it possible Ukraine, like Iraq, is about Energy?

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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post

    Is it possible Ukraine, like Iraq, is about Energy?
    Well, the Russians did get the reserves off the Crimea coast.

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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well, the Russians did get the reserves off the Crimea coast.
    Mornin Jog. Well and now didn't Gazprom say it was switching to Euro dollars and dropping the US dollar?

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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Jog. Well and now didn't Gazprom say it was switching to Euro dollars and dropping the US dollar?
    It can sell its gas in Rubles, if it wants or try to bribe the Europeans by using Euros. And they are probably dumb enough to buy it.

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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It can sell its gas in Rubles, if it wants or try to bribe the Europeans by using Euros. And they are probably dumb enough to buy it.


    Looks like they did and the Yuan too.




    MOSCOW, June 06./ITAR-TASS/. Gazprom Neft had signed additional agreements with consumers on a possible switch from dollars to euros for payments under contracts, the oil company's head Alexander Dyukov told a press conference.

    "Additional agreements of Gazprom Neft on the possibility to switch contracts from dollars to euros are signed. With Belarus, payments in roubles are agreed on," he said. Dyukov said nine of ten consumers had agreed to switch to euros.

    ITAR-TASS reported earlier that Gazprom Neft considered the possibility to make payments in roubles under contracts. Some contracting parties agree to switch from dollars to euros and Yuans.

    "The so-called Plan B is already partially worked out. The switch of dollar contracts to euros and Yuans is agreed on with some of our contracting parties. Under consideration is the possibility to switch contracts to roubles," Dyukov said at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

    ITAR-TASS: Economy - Gazprom signs agreements to switch from dollars to euros

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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Completely

    "A few days ago, when we wrote our "explainer" on the need for Russia to have an alternative pathway for its gas, one which bypasses Ukraine entirely and as the current "South Stream" framework is set up, crosses the Black Sea and enters Bulgaria before passing Serbia and Hungary on the way to the Central European energy hub located in Baumgarten, Austria, we said that "one short month after Putin concluded the Holy Grail deal with Beijing, he not only managed to formalize his conquest of Europe's energy needs with yet another pipeline, one which completely bypasses Ukraine (for numerous reasons but mostly one: call it a Plan B), but scored a massive political victory by creating a fissure in the heart of the Eurozone, after Austria openly defied its European peers and sided with Putin.""
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    How and when did Eastern Reich (i.e., Austria) openly defied it's European peers and sided with Putin?
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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like they did and the Yuan too.




    MOSCOW, June 06./ITAR-TASS/. Gazprom Neft had signed additional agreements with consumers on a possible switch from dollars to euros for payments under contracts, the oil company's head Alexander Dyukov told a press conference.

    "Additional agreements of Gazprom Neft on the possibility to switch contracts from dollars to euros are signed. With Belarus, payments in roubles are agreed on," he said. Dyukov said nine of ten consumers had agreed to switch to euros.

    ITAR-TASS reported earlier that Gazprom Neft considered the possibility to make payments in roubles under contracts. Some contracting parties agree to switch from dollars to euros and Yuans.

    "The so-called Plan B is already partially worked out. The switch of dollar contracts to euros and Yuans is agreed on with some of our contracting parties. Under consideration is the possibility to switch contracts to roubles," Dyukov said at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

    ITAR-TASS: Economy - Gazprom signs agreements to switch from dollars to euros
    Uh oh! Not good! They are working to eliminate the dollar as the world's reserve currency by eliminating us as the "middle-man." I hope people understand what will happen to us if they succeed! And the sad thing is that we can do nothing to stop them!

    Good morning, MMC.

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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Uh oh! Not good! They are working to eliminate the dollar as the world's reserve currency by eliminating us as the "middle-man." I hope people understand what will happen to us if they succeed! And the sad thing is that we can do nothing to stop them!

    Good morning, MMC.
    We could have avoided all of this by not encouraging, financing, organizing, and promoting an insurrection in Ukraine. We gotta be the dumbest mothas on the Planet for doing things like this. I think we need to get rid of the CIA. They always seem to be at the root of these problems.

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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    How was this threat not a 'duh' from the start?

    I've been waiting for it.
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    Re: Russia Reveals "Plan B": Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Comp

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How was this threat not a 'duh' from the start?

    I've been waiting for it.
    I believe they thought that they could get the EU to stop the south stream pipeline on some phantom technicality. That, I believe, is what the Austrian reference is to. SudStream and NordStream can supply the total needs of the EU and at a much lower price than the LNG from the US that they are always referring to as an alternative. Russia's welfare queen, Ukraine, as Russia gave Ukraine about 39 billion dollars in the last ten years and that certainly put Ukraine on the Russian teet, as a "welfare queen," is out and about looking for another teet. Should be fun to watch. Krissakes, nothin' to it here in the USA. Just print up some more of them "fiat dollars" and send all the spinmeisters to the Major Mainstream Brainstream Media with stories of great "confidence" in the economy and great "confidence" in the Administration, and great "confidence" in the Federal Reserve, and great "confidence" in the Banking Community, but for heavens sake, don't give them the impression that someone is running a "confidence game" on their dumb asses. No indeedy, we way too smart for that, don't you think?

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