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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm not sure how they could have meant anything other than people born in the US were US citizens....

    Here is the text: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
    The "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is the important part.Because if it was meant for anyone born on US soil then that part would not be necessary.The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 and the part in the part Nationality Act of 1940 that allows those born in US territories would have never been created if section 1 of the 14th amendment meant anyone born on US soil.


    ... This isn't a question about what "militia" means or what "infringement" means. The text clearly says people born in the US are US citizens.
    The militia part is dependent on citizens being able to be armed.the only time the people are regulated is when they are in militia service, not before.Its why the 2nd amendment does not say regulated right of the people to keep and bear arms or why the 2nd amendment doesn't say only the militia the right to keep and bear arms.


    What the authors meant in whatever crystal ball you're holding is irrelevant. What is important is what was written.
    Author's intent is the only important part.Because anti-American scum like to play the "It's a living document"game to get around the amendment process.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I would favor an amendment that stipulates that for a person to be a citizen that one of their biological parents must already be a citizen.
    My only worry about that is if there is no DNA test requirement there would have a bunch of illegals claiming their child's father is an American citizen. Because right now there is no DNA requirement to list a man's name as the father.Its how many men end up paying child support for a child that is not theirs.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Voted for a repeal of the 22nd. If we are actually going to deal with political corruption, you're going to have to place restrictions on campaign finances. The people should be allowed to choose to reelect their president for more than two terms if they so choose. I'd also like to see a possible rephrasing of the 10th. I'm not sure if repealing it and not replacing it with anything would be wise, but the foundation of state's rights is not how I would like the model of government to be based.

    Regarding the constitution, I have a favorable opinion of most amendments. What I would like to see is more amendments added to the constitution, including a significant expansion of the Bill of Rights, as well as reforming our government to be eliminated of corporate corruption and the establishment of proportional representation for our elections.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My only worry about that is if there is no DNA test requirement there would have a bunch of illegals claiming their child's father is an American citizen. Because right now there is no DNA requirement to list a man's name as the father.Its how many men end up paying child support for a child that is not theirs.
    There would have to be a DNA requirement, IMO, in all cases.

    Phrased in such a way that would also allow for whatever reliable confirmation may be invented in the future that we today cannot envision.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    5th and 8th.

    Criminals deserve no right to silence. The need to punish is or at lest should be unusual and punishment is never effective without some level of cruelty.
    Well the 5th has that bit about not taking stuff from citizens without compensation - which sounds good...

    As for the 8th, all we need to is change our definition of "cruel and unusual punishment". For example, I don't think it would be overly cruel , nor should it be unusual, for unquestionably convicted child rapists to be put do death by impalement. I'm only half kidding on that, actually.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That's not how I recall things. To the Founders, the very idea of taxing individuals (as opposed to objects, as with a sales tax) was highly offensive. They were regarded as options of last resort, only to be imposed in war or other emergency.
    All true. but nothing to do with whether or not it was Constitutional (outside the 16th ammendment).

    The first federal income tax was imposed during the Civil War. it was soon repealed.
    The first proposol for an income tax was during the War of 1812, though it was not adopted. But in neither case was it suggested that the income tax was unconstitutional or could only legally applied in time of war.

    In the 1890s Congress assessed a peacetime income tax for the first time. The Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional in 1895. Referring to prohibiting direct taxation in Article I, the court argued that the income tax would excessively enhance federal power in relation to state power.
    Sort of. The argument, regarding direct vs indirect, was that since the Constitution removed the State's power to tax imports or exports, that the State's had to retain some rights and protection for their state taxes.

    But the Court in Pollock did not declare income taxes unconstitutional, only that taxing the income from real estate or personal property was a direct tax and would require apportioning among the states. But they upheld income taxes on other sources, but decided that the law as a whole, was so entangled, the parts couldn't be separated and the whole bill was therefore invalid.
    Pollock v Farmer's Loan and Trust 158 U.S. 601 (1895)
    We have considered the act only in respect of the tax on income derived from real estate, and from invested personal property, and have not commented on so much of it as bears on gains or profits from business, privileges, or employments, in view of the instances in which taxation on business, privileges, or employments has assumed the guise of an excise tax and been sustained as such.

    Being of opinion that so much of the sections of this law as lays a tax on income from real and personal property is invalid, we are brought to the question of the effect of that conclusion upon these sections as a whole.

    It is elementary that the same statute may be in part constitutional and in part unconstitutional, and, if the parts are wholly independent of each other, that which is constitutional may stand, while that which is unconstitutional will be rejected. And in the case before us there is no question as to the validity of this act, except sections 27 to 37, inclusive, which relate to the subject which has been under discussion...
    bolding mine.
    To reiterate the bolded part....there was no question as to the validity of the act except for the parts relating to tax on income from real estate and personal property.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    5th and 8th.

    Criminals deserve no right to silence. The need to punish is or at lest should be unusual and punishment is never effective without some level of cruelty.
    So you are in favor of allowing authorities to torture suspects, even without a requirement for proof or a conviction, as well as torture and painful deaths for convicts, right? Do you support drowning of witches and burning blasphemers also?

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I think the 22nd should be expanded to include the House and Senate. Other than that...None of them should be repealed.
    I don't think it would be expanded but rather a new amendment should be added to cover the Congress and the Supreme Court as well. One term and you're out as far as I'm concerned.

    In the poll though I picked other. I'd repeal the twentieth or at least change it. The 20th dictates that dates on which presidential and congressional terms start. Those dates are in January and it never made sense to me to have the elections in November but the winners (if they aren't incumbents) don't get to take office until two months later in January. The amendment should be changed so that they very next day after the election the winner takes office and if an incumbent lost it's "pack up your sh1t and get the f$#@ out, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here!"

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    I don't think it would be expanded but rather a new amendment should be added to cover the Congress and the Supreme Court as well. One term and you're out as far as I'm concerned.
    Disagree with the judges having term limits.

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    In the poll though I picked other. I'd repeal the twentieth or at least change it. The 20th dictates that dates on which presidential and congressional terms start. Those dates are in January and it never made sense to me to have the elections in November but the winners (if they aren't incumbents) don't get to take office until two months later in January. The amendment should be changed so that they very next day after the election the winner takes office and if an incumbent lost it's "pack up your sh1t and get the f$#@ out, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here!"
    The reason for this is that the politician that gets elected into office needs to be "briefed" on various subjects. Basically they need to learn whats going on and what is being done currently about X situation. Including the ones that us civilians are not privy to. This is particularly important for new politicians. If terms limits were to be put on the Senate/House members this would be even more important.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    The 3rd. There is very little case law so it isn't subject to a lot of course cases, and who doesn't support our troops? Imagine how much money we could save and how much safer our neighborhoods could be.

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