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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    I'd rather work on federal spending than repeal outright the 16th. Work on reining the feds back into what their purpose is supposed to be to begin with. The notion of an income tax, per se, doesn't get me as riled up as it does many other people. To be honest, I'd rather have that than a consumption/sales tax. I'd rather pay my money up front, then be left alone to conduct my business without extra surcharges.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'd rather work on federal spending than repeal outright the 16th. Work on reining the feds back into what their purpose is supposed to be to begin with. The notion of an income tax, per se, doesn't get me as riled up as it does many other people. To be honest, I'd rather have that than a consumption/sales tax. I'd rather pay my money up front, then be left alone to conduct my business without extra surcharges.
    You'll never make any progress on reining in federal spending as long as we continue to dysfunction as a democracy.

    Direct election of the Senators did more damage to our Republic than the 16th amendment.

    We are dying the death that all democracies have died... rot from within. Democracy is a terrible form of government - as history clearly spells out. Repealing the 17th amendment would be a step in the right direction, and possibly afford us the leverage necessary to force the FedGov into compliance with rational, constitutional behavior.

    To think that we would have any chance of controlling the FedGov, and forcing them to behave in a rational and constitutional manner without making any structural changes to way the system is currently rigged is naive.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    You'll never make any progress on reining in federal spending as long as we continue to dysfunction as a democracy.

    Direct election of the Senators did more damage to our Republic than the 16th amendment.

    We are dying the death that all democracies have died... rot from within. Democracy is a terrible form of government - as history clearly spells out. Repealing the 17th amendment would be a step in the right direction, and possibly afford us the leverage necessary to force the FedGov into compliance with rational, constitutional behavior.

    To think that we would have any chance of controlling the FedGov, and forcing them to behave in a rational and constitutional manner without making any structural changes to way the system is currently rigged is naive.
    How libertarian are you? Libertarianism is no less naive, if not more so.

    Keep in mind, also, that I did not say word one regarding practicality.

    Agree regarding the 17th.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I would favor an amendment that stipulates that for a person to be a citizen that one of their biological parents must already be a citizen.
    I'd agree with that but add the children of those who have legally immigrated here but aren't yet citizens.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I'd agree with that but add the children of those who have legally immigrated here but aren't yet citizens.
    I would not. However, I would confer legal visitor status on them as long as they are with their parents and as long as their parents are here legally. I would be open to conferring citizenship to said children automatically if and when their parent(s) gain their citizenship. Minor children only, and only biological and legally adopted children. No extended family. Once a person turns 18 they're on their own, both for citizenship and legal status.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'll excuse your unfamiliarity with the American Constitutional process, but the amendment process exists precisely so that we don't have to throw everything out and start from scratch. Granted, many (if not most) countries require wholesale change, but why is that necessary at times when only a minor tweaking is desired?
    Then you misunderstood me, from time to time it is good to do a complete overhaul of ones constitution IMHO. i know that you can amend but sometimes you need to change rather than amend, or at least that is my opinion.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Then you misunderstood me, from time to time it is good to do a complete overhaul of ones constitution IMHO. i know that you can amend but sometimes you need to change rather than amend, or at least that is my opinion.
    Ok, got'cha. You're right, I did misunderstand. Thanks for the clarification.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How libertarian are you? Libertarianism is no less naive, if not more so.

    Keep in mind, also, that I did not say word one regarding practicality.

    Agree regarding the 17th.
    The anarchist wing of the libertarian house is definitely naive - I am a republican/libertarian. I agree with our Founding Fathers that liberty can only exist for a brief time without 1) a sound republican governmental structure, and 2) a well informed and involved citizenry that is committed to liberty, i.e. the restraint of government.

    Americans don't understand or believe in republican government; they have been indoctrinated to believe in democracy; and, as James Madison said in Federalist Paper #10,

    "Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths..."

    Americans simply don't have the knowledge, tools, or ability to rein in their government - it's a lost cause. They think they know which way is up, but if they truly understood anything about governmental systems and human nature, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in to begin with.

    I've known since the 80's that America was doomed; I knew they would run up the debt - intentionally; I knew they would continue to expand the definitions of the Constitution until it was meaningless as a document that retricted the government; I knew they would continue to foster conflict abroad, and enter in war after war after war; I knew they would continue to dumb down Americans thru indoctrination in the government schools; etc, etc...

    We're nearing the end of the line now... no way we can last past 15 years; and there's no way the ship will be righted before we reach collapse - b/c 1) the people are ignorant; and 2) the collapse is deliberate - for very logical reasons from the perspective of the Establishment.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Then you misunderstood me, from time to time it is good to do a complete overhaul of ones constitution IMHO. i know that you can amend but sometimes you need to change rather than amend, or at least that is my opinion.
    It isn't good to mess around with a solid Constitution that is properly constructed to grant the government certain "enumerated powers", and does not empower it any other way.

    In the U.S., our Constitution was designed to do just that - the government was granted certain, limited, enumerated powers - and had no power beyond those enumerated powers. If the people wanted to further empower, or rescind an existing power, they have the ability to amend it - but that amendment process is decidedly undemocratic, as it requires super-majorities of the Federal Senate and the state legislatures.

    The amendment process was deliberately made difficult so as to prevent anything frivoluous from being added to the Constitution in the heat of emotional reaction to something.

    Sadly, our Founding Fathers could never have foreseen how unscrupulous and dishonest future generations of Americans would become. After approx. 130 years or so of the Constitution being generally adhered to, the Robber Barons and progressives were finally able to gain control of our Supreme Court and they began to reinterpret the Constitution to the point where it is a completely open-ended document that in no way constrains the Federal Government.

    Now, 80+ years after the enemies of freedom were able to change our Constitution and loose the power of the FedGov upon the people, our treasury is empty, the people are ignorant and dependent upon government - and clamouring for more; the government is becoming increasingly oppressive; etc...

    It is all very predicatable - we are dying the death that all democracies die. Only an ignorant fool would want to live in a democracy - well, that about sums up most Americans. They allowed all of this to happen b/c they failed to control their government, and allowed themselves to be corrupted. They deserve to lose their freedom, property, and lives as a result.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    This is the one change I would agree with. It absolutely had a purpose and it was not intended for anchor babies.
    Anchor babies are actually the result of the Immigration Nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse of minor children.
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