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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I picked other.I would reword section 1 of the 14th amendment to only apply to the children of citizens like the authors intended.


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    I'm not sure how they could have meant anything other than people born in the US were US citizens....

    Here is the text: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

    ... This isn't a question about what "militia" means or what "infringement" means. The text clearly says people born in the US are US citizens. What the authors meant in whatever crystal ball you're holding is irrelevant. What is important is what was written.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm not sure how they could have meant anything other than people born in the US were US citizens....

    Here is the text: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

    ... This isn't a question about what "militia" means or what "infringement" means. The text clearly says people born in the US are US citizens. What the authors meant in whatever crystal ball you're holding is irrelevant. What is important is what was written.
    I see it as a case where such issues today were unforeseen.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    There aren't really any that I'd appeal, but there are some that I'd like to see changed.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yeah, I goofed in my vote, sorry. 16th and 17th should be repealed, states should elect senators and the prohibition on direct taxation and the income tax should be immediately reinstated.
    I chose the 16th and 17th too. By repealing the 16th would starve the federal beast by depriving it of its consumption of money from the states and the taxpayers through income. States could exercise better control over how or even if their money is spent. Repealing the 17th makes United States senators directly appointed by the state legislatures would check the federal government's tendency to pass laws binding the states to unfunded mandates. It would increase the sovereignty of the several states and restore true federalism back into our system of government. The states could do this by individual vote. Three fourths of the state legislatures would have to vote to repeal each or any Amendment. Once each state votes to invalidate an Amendment, the vote is sent to the Archivist of the National Archives. The result would be a return to the Constitution as it existed before.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I chose the 16th and 17th too. By repealing the 16th would starve the federal beast by depriving it of its consumption of money from the states and the taxpayers through income.
    no it wouldn't, as I already pointed out: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063461886
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    no it wouldn't, as I already pointed out: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063461886
    That's not how I recall things. To the Founders, the very idea of taxing individuals (as opposed to objects, as with a sales tax) was highly offensive. They were regarded as options of last resort, only to be imposed in war or other emergency. The first federal income tax was imposed during the Civil War. it was soon repealed. In the 1890s Congress assessed a peacetime income tax for the first time. The Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional in 1895. Referring to prohibiting direct taxation in Article I, the court argued that the income tax would excessively enhance federal power in relation to state power. But in 1913 the 16th Amendment changed all that and today we see the wisdom of the Founders and the Supremes in 1895 for upholding the Constitution because indeed it has enhanced federal power. The federal government was to collect revenue in less intrusive ways through tariffs, excise taxes, and consumption taxes so as to limit the amount of money it could raise by its own authority but enough to cover expenses what the Constitution listed as its limited duties. But now because of income tax, it has created over bloated agencies of things it was never intended to intrude upon that were originally seen as states duties.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    None, I am not an American but I do not think you can pick constitutional guarantees out of the whole frame work. The only way around that is to completely re-work the constitution into a new one and then have 2/3 of the congress, 2/3 of the senate and through a referendum 2/3 of the population agree with that new constitution. Then the congress and the senate has to be dissolved and a new congress has to be elected which then will have to again vote on that constitution and again 2/3 would have to vote in favor of it and then the constitution will be become the new law of the US (or that is how I think it should go).

    The odds of that ever happening? Almost zero.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I see it as a case where such issues today were unforeseen.
    This. The wording is clear, and adhered to as it should be, but times have changed in a direction unforeseen by the people at the time.

    While I think this is actually a pressing issue, and we need to amend the Constitution to add a requirement that one biological parent already be a citizen, can you imagine the response if proposed? The wailing and gnashing of teeth would be deafening.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    None, I am not an American but I do not think you can pick constitutional guarantees out of the whole frame work. The only way around that is to completely re-work the constitution into a new one and then have 2/3 of the congress, 2/3 of the senate and through a referendum 2/3 of the population agree with that new constitution. Then the congress and the senate has to be dissolved and a new congress has to be elected which then will have to again vote on that constitution and again 2/3 would have to vote in favor of it and then the constitution will be become the new law of the US (or that is how I think it should go).

    The odds of that ever happening? Almost zero.
    I'll excuse your unfamiliarity with the American Constitutional process, but the amendment process exists precisely so that we don't have to throw everything out and start from scratch. Granted, many (if not most) countries require wholesale change, but why is that necessary at times when only a minor tweaking is desired?
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    The 47'th...provides rights to androids...especially those that are Skynet based.

    Definitely repeal.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    I'm with the rest of you guys who see the 16th and 17th as being completely disasterous.

    I'd go after the 17th first, work to bring the FedGov leviathan under control, and then repeal the 16th...

    Those are the two most damaging amendments ever passed.

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