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Thread: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I could see many people wanting to repeal the 2nd, though maybe not many here at DP. I could also see some "law-and-order" types wanting to repeal, or at least modify, the 1st to cut down on right of protest, etc.

    Not me for either of those, but I can easily see some wanting to, hence the inclusion.
    Many people wanting to repeal it and it being politically feasible are two entirely different things. Most of the country believes in an all powerful being who cares about who they sleep with but can't be bothered to give the rest of humanity a qualitative or quantifiable sign of its existence. What many people believe and what can be done in politics are worlds apart. The backlash from trying to repeal the 1st or 2nd would be too much.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    16th, to take away the power of government over the people thru income taxes and force government to curb its spending and stop violating the founding principle of securing property.

    17th to return the original structure of the federal government of the founders, return states voice back into the federal government, placing a check on federal power.

    abolish the federal reserve act and return the power of money to the people.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Many people wanting to repeal it and it being politically feasible are two entirely different things. Most of the country believes in an all powerful being who cares about who they sleep with but can't be bothered to give the rest of humanity a qualitative or quantifiable sign of its existence. What many people believe and what can be done in politics are worlds apart. The backlash from trying to repeal the 1st or 2nd would be too much.
    The question and poll have absolutely nothing to do with whether it would be feasible or not.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The question and poll have absolutely nothing to do with whether it would be feasible or not.
    The problem is that should be repealed takes into considerations whether it's feasible. If it's not feasible because of the political and social implications then it's clear that those same reasons can be used to deduce that it shouldn't be repealed.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem is that should be repealed takes into considerations whether it's feasible. If it's not feasible because of the political and social implications then it's clear that those same reasons can be used to deduce that it shouldn't be repealed.
    You're over-thinking.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You're over-thinking.
    Hey! The intellectually weak tend to say that about me too.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    16th, to take away the power of government over the people thru income taxes and force government to curb its spending and stop violating the founding principle of securing property.


    The states in favor of "states rights" and freedom would be the most affected by it. Louisiana and Alabama would crumble within weeks.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post


    The states in favor of "states rights" and freedom would be the most affected by it. Louisiana and Alabama would crumble within weeks.
    well you quote the 16th, but are talking about state powers, the 17th returns states voice back into the federal government as a check and balance of government ,prevents the federal government from exceeding its powers,

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well you quote the 16th, but are talking about state powers,
    They're tied together. The same states in favor of states rights would balk at doing away with the federal government's power to levy income taxes. Who do you think benefits most from incomes taxes? Blue states generally attacked for being statists or the states rights loving red states?
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    16th, to take away the power of government over the people thru income taxes and force government to curb its spending and stop violating the founding principle of securing property.
    It wouldn't do that. The Federal Government had the power without the 16th to lay an income tax and had done so. The issue in Pollock v Farmer's Loan and Trust 158 US 601 (1895) was whether an tax on income earned from real estate, personal property, or dividends was a direct tax requiring apportionment among the states. The SCOTUS ruled that they were direct taxes, and that the whole income tax law was invalid because of the invalid parts. In response, Congress proposed the 16th ammendment to avoid the issue.

    Income taxes have never been ruled or considered unconstitutiional.
    The only question was whether some types of income were direct taxes (income on wages was not considered to be a direct tax) and therefore needed to apportioned among the staes by population.

    Repeal the 16th, and you could still tax income, and could even tax income from real estate or private property as long as it was apportioned by population.
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