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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    A poll tax is a tax that must be payed in order for a person to vote.
    No, it's not. It's clear you did no research. Do you really think people voted in 14th century England when they had a poll tax?
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    No, it's not. It's clear you did no research. Do you really think people voted in 14th century England when they had a poll tax?
    You don't know what you're talking about.

    There were elections in 14th century England.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    A poll tax is a tax that must be payed in order for a person to vote.
    A poll tax is simply a "per head" tax, often taken as a result of a census. (The head of every household, for example, may be required to pay a flat dollar amount as a tax.)

    That southern states in the U.S. used the enactment or existence of a poll tax to disenfranchise poor (i.e. black) voters is unquestioned. In those cases voters were required to have paid their poll tax in order to vote, but the poll tax itself was not a "fee to vote" per se.

    Minor distinction.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You don't know what you're talking about.

    There were elections in 14th century England.
    The poll tax of 1377 was on every person age 14 and older who was not a beggar. Are you really going to claim the franchise was that universal?

    Honestly, while there may have been some elections, I'm not aware of them...certainly not for parliament.
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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    The poll tax of 1377 was on every person age 14 and older who was not a beggar. Are you really going to claim the franchise was that universal?

    Honestly, while there may have been some elections, I'm not aware of them...certainly not for parliament.
    I stand corrected with respect to the poll tax.

    Actually there were elections for the House of Commons, only about five percent of commoners could vote in them, but they did happen.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    You both appear to be in agreement about the key points, as I see them:

    (a) voting is a privilege, not a "right"
    (b) everyone should not be permitted (much less encouraged) to vote

    Personally, I wouldn't mind a repeal of the poll tax clause simply because I believe states should decide for themselves what voter qualifications should exist.

    If New Hampshire, for example, holds that voter eligibility requires that the person paid state income taxes, or that the person own property or have a net worth of at least $X, that state has the right to do so and, if a New Hampshire residents wants to vote badly enough in that state, they will make better decisions with regards to the acquisition of property and wealth. Fortunately, individuals who do not meet voter eligibility requirements are free to move elsewhere. They don't even have to move out of the country as there are 49 other states they can find in such a scenario.

    Of course doing this undermines two prevalent lies - that all people have a "right" to whatever it is they desire, and that a national government (rather than the respective state governments) should be the primary guarnator of such "rights".

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    If New Hampshire, for example, holds that voter eligibility requires ... that the person own property or have a net worth of at least $X
    Strictly speaking the 24th would allow such a requirement as long as the person was not required to pay money as a condition of voting. (Modern EP jurisprudence would not, but nothing in the text or original meaning of the Constitution or the amendments prohibits it)

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Perhaps I should have been more specific, I meant those who have no concern with being the least bit knowledgeable about politics. Think of people who don't know who the VP is, or how many senators their state has, but vote anyway.
    Having enough money to pay a poll tax in no way indicates knowledge of the political landscape.
    Education.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Having enough money to pay a poll tax in no way indicates knowledge of the political landscape.
    Willingness to pay it might.

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    Re: Which Constitutional Amendments, if any, should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Willingness to pay it might.
    Not worth the risk
    Education.

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