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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am so torn between the two options. All I can say is thanks to everyone for such great posts. Needed to be said.
    I'm a fan of sarcasm. So

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm a fan of sarcasm. So
    Lol. But, I wasn't being sarcastic.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    True enough. But the world watches the man grabbing the spotlight.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We can never overcome Obama's incompetency but I believe we should help the Iraqis every way we can short of boots on the ground. That includes armed and un armed drones, air strikes, and bombing the terrorists supply lines.
    We can never overcome BushII's incompetency and insufferable ignorance/arrogance in the ME. He kicked over an ant mound and is amazed so many ants have crawled out across the region to fight and bite everything instead of a parade of children throwing candy and flowers...

    He expected secularists to take over, guiding the people toward a western style democracy, and instead got tribal people who revert back to their centuries old blood/religious feuds.

    BushII expected his dear family friends, the House of Saud, to support democratic reform across the ME, but instead got brutal repression and support funneled to terrorists around the ME.

    BushII sat for YEARS allowing Iraq to fall apart before doing what his generals had advised from the beginning... high troop numbers and financial support for the out of work Sunnis. Thousands of Americans paid with their lives and limbs for this gross incompetency.

    Now Iran is the major player in the region, their support of Maliki keeps any real reform in the central Iraqi government a pipe dream. Iraq is no longer the buffer state between Shi'ites and Sunnis but now the battleground that can spread to the Shi'ite dominated Saudi oil regions along the Persian gulf.

    BushII so screwed the pooch on this that no one can unscrew it. BushII, even as his Generals warned him if he breaks Iraq he will own it, he still opened the ME Pandora's box and released all manner of E-Vile across the region.

    But let's blame Obama....

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I said go back but I'm not talking about our previous presence but a small behind the scenes force of intelligence and direct action teams that can take out HVTs. I was a member of such a unit (Task Force Dagger) and it was highly successful. I have deployed with conventional forces and unconventional forces (and while this is no hit on conventional forces) I feel sof units are more effective in this type of environment. I believe allot of people are playing politics with this liberals to slam Bush for starting it, and conservatives for the President pulling out early and sending troops back in. I think we can all agree that allowing units like Al Qaeda and ISIS to have safe haven is in none of our best interest. Particularly in light of A) our borders are ineffective at keeping people out, B) by taking over countries like Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, these groups are getting access large quantities of weapons they did not previously have access to. C) looting of banks is giving them access to funds so they can hold larger and more effective attacks.
    Not going to work as a stand alone unit. Before the HVT teams worked in a bevy of conventional forces that helped keep the informants safe from retaliation. That helped dilute the terrorists response as the terrorists had literally tens of thousands of targets to attack. Make the target much smaller and far more eyes focus on each team- just like the CIA team wiped out by a turn coat suicide bomber.

    The surprise effect TF Dagger had in the open terrain of Afghanistan with the mercenary Northern Alliance forces is no longer a surprise. The more urban Iraq isn't Afghanistan, I doubt too many B-52 strikes can be used in Iraq.

    I'm more of the mindset that a hammer doesn't fix this, a pen does. Unless the people feel their future lies with the government they will not support stability but rather violent protest. Unless a true political resolution is achieved tribal strife will dominate the region. Now we have a region primed for the sunni/shi'ite showdown. No amount of special units will stop this.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Lol. But, I wasn't being sarcastic.
    Like Glenn Beck, worked better as comedy.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It seems we're in a holding pattern, though there's definitely going to be 'mission creep' over time. Our Congress, Intel Agencies and Military just can't help themselves, it's what they do.
    what is wrong with issuing a letter of marque against the ISIS organization?
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what is wrong with issuing a letter of marque against the ISIS organization?

    I don't see how that will change their minds or their actions? But I heard some good news today that the US believes they've run out of options. They don't ave the ability to take Baghdad or the Kurds, so we may not have to do anything.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't see how that will change their minds or their actions? But I heard some good news today that the US believes they've run out of options. They don't ave the ability to take Baghdad or the Kurds, so we may not have to do anything.
    the reason why i suggest a letter of marque is because it is one of congresses delegated powers. so why not simply contract bounty hunters to fight in the middle east?
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