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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    We are allies and not their protectors. They (exclude France and uk) have been free riding long enough and complaining so long about how the USA has done things that their populations think the US is the problem and evil. Let them show us how it works.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

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    And you say?
    I think it is best just to sit on the sidelines and let this thing play out. If I understand this right, Iran is helping Miliki as are we. Syria, Assad is helping Miliki, the same Assad we are trying to overthrow and since Assad used his air force, he must have had Putin's okay. Some of ME allies are helping finance ISIS, Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, some of the ISIS groups are some we gave arms too hoping they would overthrow Assad. AQ has kicked out ISIS out of their organization are are helping the rebel in Syria and at last word are thinking about supporting Miliki. Now I am sure I forgot and left out a bunch more. But this thing in Iraq is so confused ones needs a program just to know the players and it is impossible to tell friend from enemy as enemies are supporting Miliki and friends ISIS.

    Just stay out.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And I agree. That is wy I voted to 'stay out'. I think that most Americans will agree enough is enough.

    But at some point we wil look back and realize that despite the political disasters of Iraq and Afghanistan, we should have nipped Greater Syria in the bud when we had a chance. These folks taking over Iraq are not going to just go away. Unlike the old Al-Qaeda that we come to love to hate this new one as an actual goal that the people in the region can actually get behind. The borders in the middle east were not drawn be the inhabitants they were drawn by the west. They want their own lines to be drawn by themselves. And now there is a movement that has taken up that goal. But the movement is about as bad as it gets. They wont be content with just the middle east.
    You may be right. And when the time comes - if it does - that they attack us directly or prove to be a real danger to our interests, then we smash them with everything we have. No more nation building, no more half-assed military interventions that do nothing in the long run.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    We should take Iraq and Iran and make them 1 country and call it Irate.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    For those urging that we stay out until Iraq poses a direct threat to our nation: a situation similar to that of Afghanistan in the late 1990s is beginning to emerge in Iraq. I definitely oppose any boots on the ground, and I'd prefer that we not take sides in the sectarian aspect of this conflict, but we cannot have an al-Qaeda-esque movement take control of vast swaths of territory.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And I agree. That is wy I voted to 'stay out'. I think that most Americans will agree enough is enough.

    But at some point we wil look back and realize that despite the political disasters of Iraq and Afghanistan, we should have nipped Greater Syria in the bud when we had a chance. These folks taking over Iraq are not going to just go away. Unlike the old Al-Qaeda that we come to love to hate this new one as an actual goal that the people in the region can actually get behind. The borders in the middle east were not drawn be the inhabitants they were drawn by the west. They want their own lines to be drawn by themselves. And now there is a movement that has taken up that goal. But the movement is about as bad as it gets. They wont be content with just the middle east.
    Not only this but what if ISIS takes over Baghdad and the southern oil fields, and drives oil prices above $150 a barrel? What if the whole region blows up into a multinational conflict, involving Saudi Arabia and restricting oil thru the Persian Gulf? We will look back then as we pay $10+ a gallon at the pump and say, "gee, guess we should've done something."

    I'm afraid we have to finish what WE started. We wanted to remove all the dictators (Saddam, Gaddafi, Mubarak, Assad) and spread democracy, now we have the results of our nation building.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    If we are fortunate an American public, war weary of empire building, tired of being broke and wiser for all the mistakes made and the lives destroyed, will just this once stop the chicken hawks in Washington and stop the military industrial complex. I am not optimistic, but I am hopeful.

    At this point it is not about what or who got us involved in the middle eastern cluster****, which time, and for what reasons. At this moment it is about that we cannot be involved anymore. We cannot commit more people, more materiel, more money. Now is the time to begin saying no, as we have nothing left to give. It is beyond time to walk away and let the middle east handle itself.











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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    We are allies and not their protectors. They (exclude France and uk) have been free riding long enough and complaining so long about how the USA has done things that their populations think the US is the problem and evil. Let them show us how it works.
    that sounds great on paper to pass the buck. But this will look different to everyone in a while. But lets not forget the Turks, Kurds, Iraqis, and Iranians they dont like the Jihadists. And when war start spilling over borders what then?

    I still say stay out because really we wont do any good right now. But eventually that will change. So at some point the UN will have to respond. My guess is when Israel becomes involved then things will get ugly.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    I said go back but I'm not talking about our previous presence but a small behind the scenes force of intelligence and direct action teams that can take out HVTs.
    I was a member of such a unit (Task Force Dagger) and it was highly successful.

    I have deployed with conventional forces and unconventional forces (and while this is no hit on conventional forces) I feel sof units are more effective in this type of environment.

    I believe allot of people are playing politics with this liberals to slam Bush for starting it, and conservatives for the President pulling out early and sending troops back in.

    I think we can all agree that allowing units like Al Qaeda and ISIS to have safe haven is in none of our best interest. Particularly in light of A) our borders are ineffective at keeping people out, B) by taking over countries like Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, these groups are getting access large quantities of weapons they did not previously have access to. C) looting of banks is giving them access to funds so they can hold larger and more effective attacks.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    For those urging that we stay out until Iraq poses a direct threat to our nation: a situation similar to that of Afghanistan in the late 1990s is beginning to emerge in Iraq. I definitely oppose any boots on the ground, and I'd prefer that we not take sides in the sectarian aspect of this conflict, but we cannot have an al-Qaeda-esque movement take control of vast swaths of territory.
    Neither can Europe. Or Israel. Their turn.
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