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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As I understand it, they disagreed on something back when the founder of Islam died, and here we are today with the same disagreement.


    Yes, I believe it was about who would inherit the leadership, so one group followed the son, I think, and the rest followed someone else..and they have been split ever since.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Yes, I believe it was about who would inherit the leadership, so one group followed the son, I think, and the rest followed someone else..and they have been split ever since.
    Basically one side wanted hereditary religious leadership, and the other wanted democratic religious leadership.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's not necessarily how it works, because oil production is not a zero-sum game. Other countries (like us, or Canada) can increase the production to make a difference. Production capacity really isn't the problem, it's refining capacity.

    OK I understand, but prices will rise anyway, but maybe not as much as first predicted..

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    I say stay out. Not because I don't think Iraq is seriously important geographically speaking. Not because I don't think we can't straiten things up there. But because I know the American people and the political leaders don't have what it takes to endure a prolonged conflict with casualties. That was already proven in the mess that is referred to as the Liberation of Iraq. We did a piss poor job of understanding what would happen if we toppled the Iraqi government during the Gulf war. And when we did finally figure out that we had inadvertently opened the gates for civil war in Iraq, we acted to late which cost many more lives then necessary. The reason being, the quagmire our own country is in. Most Americans can't even point Iraq out on a map, let alone understand what is going on in the ME. Americans are lazy and blindly parrot spun facts by media outlets.

    What do I think we should do? What do I think we should have done back during the first Gulf War. We should have sent in 700K+ troops, plus a large contingent of aircraft and occupied Iraq. We should have set up permanent bases and set up a preliminary government. Then we should have kept large forces there until the democratic process got off the ground. The only way to change Iraq is to treat it like we treated Japan after WW2. As you can see, we still have forces in Japan several dacades after the war ended. We also controlled the government for decades after the war ended. That would be the only way to be effective in Iraq. If we are not willing to do this, we should simply not be involved at all. When it comes to war, you either go big, or go home. Going in any other way only gets people killed for no reason at all.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Part of the reason is the nature of the enemy - in WWII we fought a more..."formal" war, with formed units and uniformed enemies to oppose.

    In Iraq the enemies often blend into the civilians.

    Additionally, in WWII I suspect we were far more comfortable with "collateral damage".


    Just look for the guys using " our" equipment and shooting at us...You are probably right about the collateral damage...

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I say stay out. Not because I don't think Iraq is seriously important geographically speaking. Not because I don't think we can't straiten things up there. But because I know the American people and the political leaders don't have what it takes to endure a prolonged conflict with casualties. That was already proven in the mess that is referred to as the Liberation of Iraq. We did a piss poor job of understanding what would happen if we toppled the Iraqi government during the Gulf war. And when we did finally figure out that we had inadvertently opened the gates for civil war in Iraq, we acted to late which cost many more lives then necessary. The reason being, the quagmire our own country is in. Most Americans can't even point Iraq out on a map, let alone understand what is going on in the ME. Americans are lazy and blindly parrot spun facts by media outlets.

    What do I think we should do? What do I think we should have done back during the first Gulf War. We should have sent in 700K+ troops, plus a large contingent of aircraft and occupied Iraq. We should have set up permanent bases and set up a preliminary government. Then we should have kept large forces there until the democratic process got off the ground. The only way to change Iraq is to treat it like we treated Japan after WW2. As you can see, we still have forces in Japan several dacades after the war ended. We also controlled the government for decades after the war ended. That would be the only way to be effective in Iraq. If we are not willing to do this, we should simply not be involved at all. When it comes to war, you either go big, or go home. Going in any other way only gets people killed for no reason at all.
    Yet we have neither the will to go big, nor the will to stay home.

    Or so it seems.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    We shouldn't forget what happened in Beirut, Lebanon in 1983 when Reagan was president.

    299 American and French servicemen were killed by 2 terrorist truck bombs in the Beirut Barracks bombing on October 23, 1983.

    Who wants to bet that we won't see some similar incidents in Iraq?
    Last edited by shrubnose; 06-30-14 at 10:19 PM.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Yet we have neither the will to go big, nor the will to stay home.

    Or so it seems.
    That's what happens when you send so few troops to deal with millions of Islamic fighters. They easily outnumbered us 10/1 as well as not being bound by any ROE.. It was a disaster. The only way to overcome that is to send in huge numbers of forces. Enough to seal off the boarders to keep an influx of outside militant support, as well as enough to secure the entire country. During WW2, we were the defacto police force in Japan.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I hope it holds till Obama is gone, otherwise there will be red lines all over the place to confuse everyone and their dogs.
    Obama's red line produced tangible results in Syria...

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    stay out of it entirely... and I mean entirely.

    no money , no advisers, no equipment, no diplomats, no peace negotiations, no humanitarian aid, no observers, no officials... not a ****ing thing.


    but then again, i would also pack up our embassies and consulates in every one of those goat****er countries and tell em all to eat ****.... so ya might not want to listen to me on the matter...
    in fact, I know we won't listen to me.. we'll keep intervening in everybody's business until it becomes too painful for us to continue.

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