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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So you consider all fifty five of those folks "lefties"?
    Realistically speaking, nearly everyone on this forum is to the left of Navy Pride.

    Most of the conservatives included, let alone libertarians or independents.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Realistically speaking, nearly everyone on this forum is to the left of Navy Pride.

    Most of the conservatives included, let alone libertarians or independents.
    I get that, but I am curious if he considers all fifty six "lefties".

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But is it even possible to form an inclusive government? Hell so far as I can tell, the Kurds want their own place and to be left alone, but the Sunni and Shia factions want to damn well kill each other.

    What little I know indicates a fundamental difference in religious belief...


    Right, The Sunni consider the Shia to be infidels, the same way they consider the rest of the world.. They would not be satisfied with a three state solution...They want it all...

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Right, The Sunni consider the Shia to be infidels, the same way they consider the rest of the world.. They would not be satisfied with a three state solution...They want it all...
    As I understand it, they disagreed on something back when the founder of Islam died, and here we are today with the same disagreement.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Gas prices (which have fluctuated over the last 2-3 years but basically averaged out stagnant) are not particularly affected by Iraq.

    I'm not saying that gas prices aren't up, just that any turmoil in Iraq isn't the cause. Oil is a global market, which includes production and consumption. And the idea that U.S. gas prices will TRIPLE (which NP said when he made his $10/gal claim) is preposterous.


    OK, but if you take Iraqi oil out of the world pool of oil, there will be less oil in the pot thus rising oil prices. The demand will be the same, but the supply will be smaller..

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And how on earth do you propose that we do that without another prolonged occupation?


    We won the dam war and should have established a base there from the beginning, but hindsight is 20/20... The enemy of your enemy is now your friend seems to be the trend right now, so let's take advantage of that.Between Iran, Russian planes, Syrian air attacks and the U.S. we should be able to defeat The new Islamic State...Then give the Kurds their own country and reunite the Sunni and Shia under a unified government...

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JulesG View Post
    I think ISIS could be a serious treat, not only to the western world, but also to all countries near Iraq and Syria. The situation is seriously escalating and the US, as one of the major world powers, should at least help to restore peace (and not by bombing the country, but by diplomatic solutions).

    A state with an obliged religion, like a caliphate, is a direct treat to the whole world (not only the western world) and world peace.

    It started with Syria and Iraq, but where will this end? Iran, Jordan, Israel, Libanon,...?

    So in my opinion, US should definitely do something.
    Diplomacy has not worked among those folks... ever... hundreds of years. We should stay out for now; see who wins last man standing winner takes all. If the winners are hostile and combative, we should send them the traveling road show version of "The DRESDEN FOLLIES" meets "The BLITZKRIEG"

    I'm old, tired, aggravated, and resigned to the lack of efficacy our intervention will exhibit. We will be unable to end an ages old ideological war; but we can certainly address the last man.

    No proportional responses. I see a vast glassy area with plenty of parking for a Walmart , Costco, McDonald's and any Good Southern Pork BBQ roadside stand .

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    OK, but if you take Iraqi oil out of the world pool of oil, there will be less oil in the pot thus rising oil prices. The demand will be the same, but the supply will be smaller..
    That's not necessarily how it works, because oil production is not a zero-sum game. Other countries (like us, or Canada) can increase the production to make a difference. Production capacity really isn't the problem, it's refining capacity.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Firstly, I seriously doubt that gas prices will rise that high even if all the oil in Iraq ceases to exist.

    Secondly, what gives us the right to inflict ourselves on these people YET AGAIN.

    Is all this back and forth, we're there, we're not, oh we're back again, just because of ****ING POLITICS BACK IN AMERICA?

    What the **** is wrong with us?


    You know, we have the bad habit of throwing ourselves/invading other countries and then leaving them to handle the aftermath of our actions on their own..We didn't do this after WWII and look at the difference. We have bases in Japan South Korea, Germany and other countries as well and these countries flourished... Look at Iraq and Libya...We didn't finish the job.. We have to stop making these mistakes....

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    You know, we have the bad habit of throwing ourselves/invading other countries and then leaving them to handle the aftermath of our actions on their own..We didn't do this after WWII and look at the difference. We have bases in Japan South Korea, Germany and other countries as well and these countries flourished... Look at Iraq and Libya...We didn't finish the job.. We have to stop making these mistakes....
    Part of the reason is the nature of the enemy - in WWII we fought a more..."formal" war, with formed units and uniformed enemies to oppose.

    In Iraq the enemies often blend into the civilians.

    Additionally, in WWII I suspect we were far more comfortable with "collateral damage".
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