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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, I don't think those of us on the 'left' are obliged to do the Right wing's work for them. Obama has never been a left wing democrat, especially not on foreign policy issues. Had he been on the Far Left, I wouldn't have voted for him. Neither would a hell of a lot of other 'slightly Liberal' voters either.
    What do you mean by do the right's work? Is Obama immune from criticism from leftists?

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Not really. We certainly did not see that an inclusive government was formed..and we left no advisors except embassy personnel, nor was ISIS there when we left..
    But is it even possible to form an inclusive government? Hell so far as I can tell, the Kurds want their own place and to be left alone, but the Sunni and Shia factions want to damn well kill each other.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Kobie, why do you consider rising gas prices are complete nonsense..? .This has already been predicted.
    Gas prices (which have fluctuated over the last 2-3 years but basically averaged out stagnant) are not particularly affected by Iraq.

    I'm not saying that gas prices aren't up, just that any turmoil in Iraq isn't the cause. Oil is a global market, which includes production and consumption. And the idea that U.S. gas prices will TRIPLE (which NP said when he made his $10/gal claim) is preposterous.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    No, the only way to stabilize the region is eliminate ISIS, then make sure that a new inclusive government is formed and keep some U.S. " advisors" there permanently...
    And how on earth do you propose that we do that without another prolonged occupation?
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Since the USA gets most oil from Canada and Latin America, I see little value in occupying Iraq, though the Iraqi refugees are sometimes interesting. I met an artist who trained at a school in Baghdad. His family had been sent to the USA after America destroyed and upturned his homeland. Though frankly it probably sucks as an artist to lose your entire life reference and culture.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    What do you mean by do the right's work? Is Obama immune from criticism from leftists?
    No, he needs all the criticism those of you on the Far Left can heap on him. After all, hardly anybody on the right criticizes him.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    And you say?
    Stay out. Even if we went in and saved the day, so to speak, this would happen again. And again. And again. Getting involved in some of those Middle Eastern countries is a lose-lose proposition.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Losing a few fields in northern Iraq won't affect the aggregate over the next year or so because the producers will make sure there's only enough being refined to keep the prices up. But over time they are still worthwhile commodities, especially if Iraq loses more fields or conflict spreads.

    There wasn't much serious conflict affecting us over there before the 2003 Invasion. We had successfully tamped down the Taliban in Afghanistan and should've came home.
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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Not going to work as a stand alone unit. Before the HVT teams worked in a bevy of conventional forces that helped keep the informants safe from retaliation. That helped dilute the terrorists response as the terrorists had literally tens of thousands of targets to attack. Make the target much smaller and far more eyes focus on each team- just like the CIA team wiped out by a turn coat suicide bomber.

    The surprise effect TF Dagger had in the open terrain of Afghanistan with the mercenary Northern Alliance forces is no longer a surprise. The more urban Iraq isn't Afghanistan, I doubt too many B-52 strikes can be used in Iraq.

    I'm more of the mindset that a hammer doesn't fix this, a pen does. Unless the people feel their future lies with the government they will not support stability but rather violent protest. Unless a true political resolution is achieved tribal strife will dominate the region. Now we have a region primed for the sunni/shi'ite showdown. No amount of special units will stop this.
    I was a part of TF Dagger in Iraq (we were tasked with kill/capturing the HVTs on the "card deck"). What I think made it successful, is that we weren't going after petty thieves. We went after leadership, the guys that led these cells and gave them confidence to fight. This could still function in Iraq. We have the largest and most expensive embassy in the world there (4,700,000 sq ft) it was built to be a secure long term facility. All we would need to do is have a few units there that could conduct quick strike operations to disrupt enemy forces. This is not much different than what we did before, operating out of team houses or FOBs, conducting quick strikes then going back to our safe zones.

    If we could take out key leaders, we could disrupt enemy forces, and give Iraqi military the chance to regroup and bring the fight back to the enemy. We could also provide air support.

    There is a need for stability there and a government that has all of the citizens best interest in mind (This is not what Maliki is doing) but just doing nothing is going to lead to ethnic cleansing on a massive scale and once groups like ISIS can eliminate/subdue the opposition they can set up a government of their own where they will start conducting operations outside of their border just like AQ did in Afghanistan. Except ISIS would now have Iraqs oil resources to fund their operations as well as the equipment left behind the Iraqi military.

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    Re: What should we do about Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    And you say?
    We already ****ed it up to this degree once. I say we quit now while we're ahead. More intervention will only make it worse.
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