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Who has been our greatest President?[W:196]

Who has been our greatest President?


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Re: Who has been our greatest President?

delusional is to think that we needed the remedies FDR foisted on us. He also hung Pearl Harbor out to dry

So now we've moved to FDR hanging Pearl Harbor out to dry .
 
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So now we've moved to FDR hanging Pearl Harbor out to dry .

FDR wanted dead Americans to get the war he wanted
 
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Only if you like a nanny government that has become malignant

Are you referring to posters who support TR and FDR as being malignant ?
 
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You mean promoting the general welfare as in sending over 58,000 US servicemen and 2,000,000 Vietnamese to their deaths?

Eisenhower started the US on the road to the Vietnam disaster. Eisenhower knew that could happen and warned us about the military-industrial complex. LBJ may have been able to stop it but he was victimized by the public policy inertia created by capitalists and their stooges in government. He certainly deserves some blame but a lot of it is because he wasn't a miracle worker.
 
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Are you referring to posters who support TR and FDR as being malignant ?

no, If you read what I wrote, I stated FDR created a malignant government
 
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FDR wanted dead Americans to get the war he wanted

So you are dismissing the thousands of merchant marines who had already died trying to save Europe from a German madman. The same German madman supported by the 1930's GOP and Prescott Bush. Take your FDR garbage on Pearl Harbor to the proper forum .
 
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no, If you read what I wrote, I stated FDR created a malignant government

So you're back to "dances with adjectives" .
 
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So you are dismissing the thousands of merchant marines who had already died trying to save Europe from a German madman. The same German madman supported by the 1930's GOP and Prescott Bush. Take your FDR garbage on Pearl Harbor to the proper forum .

FDR sucketh. We could have wasted the japanese air strike
 
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Those who choose people like Wilson, Lincoln, and FDR must place a great deal of emphasis on the ends rather than the means or on the intent instead of the result.

I prefer Presidents who didn't start or encourage massive wars and who didn't grossly expand the federal government outside of its intended boundaries. Peace, freedom, and prosperity are virtues.

Grover Cleveland would be my pick.

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And to the partisans-neither George W. Bush nor Barack Obama are remotely the worst Presidents in history.
 
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FDR sucketh. We could have wasted the japanese air strike

Linketh please. Please prove thine moronic bilge .
 
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And to the partisans-neither George W. Bush nor Barack Obama are remotely the worst Presidents in history.

This is true. Mostly. We did have Hoover, Wilson, and many more worse Presidents. However, I think that "remotely" part is a bit of an exaggeration.
 
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Onanism. Online dictionaries are your friend.

Right right right but what the hell does jerking off have to do with this discussion?? Inquiring minds want to know :D
 
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Eisenhower started the US on the road to the Vietnam disaster. Eisenhower knew that could happen and warned us about the military-industrial complex. LBJ may have been able to stop it but he was victimized by the public policy inertia created by capitalists and their stooges in government. He certainly deserves some blame but a lot of it is because he wasn't a miracle worker.

Eisenhower twice during his presidency kept the United States out of Vietnam, he remembered Korea and wasn't about to put a whole bunch of troops into Vietnam. LBJ on the other hand had this fear of becoming known as the president who lost Vietnam. LBJ remembered how the Republicans tarred Truman over China, calling him the president who lost China.

Some interesting tidbit on Vietnam.

It was Harry S. Truman who first sent U.S. troops into Vietnam, some 65 of them to Saigon which become MAAG INDOCHINA. When Truman left office there was a total of 128 military in Vietnam.

Under Eisenhower in 1954 he upped the military to 342 and MAAG INDOCHINA became MAAG VIETNAM. When IKE left office in January of 1961 he had increased our strength in Vietnam to 890.

JFK in 1962 increased the troop strength to 11,300 and MAAG VIETNAM became MACV. This little change went from a small group to a full fledged major command capable of huge troop increases. When LBJ took over there was 16,300 troops in Vietnam and as they say, the rest is history.

One other thing, IKE warned JFK that Laos was the key to Southeast Asia, not Vietnam. Later JFK complained that IKE had briefed him and talk about Laos and didn't say a thing about Vietnam. JFK failed to heed the old generals advise and set off on his own.
 
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Eisenhower started the US on the road to the Vietnam disaster. Eisenhower knew that could happen and warned us about the military-industrial complex. LBJ may have been able to stop it but he was victimized by the public policy inertia created by capitalists and their stooges in government. He certainly deserves some blame but a lot of it is because he wasn't a miracle worker.

LBJ a victim? :lamo

He started the Vietnam "war," not Eisenhower. He could have easily pulled back troops but chose to escalate the conflict instead.

LBJ deserves all the blame. It cost him his presidency. Sorry you feel the need to make excuses for him and can't see that.
 
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Well, I'm certainly glad to see that Wilson has no votes. Seriously, **** that guy. But his wife Edith deserves tremendous praise and credit for her efforts on the 19th amendment. It's a shame we couldn't have her instead of him the whole time.

In terms of presidents, as opposed to their congresses, really standing out and making a difference, the best probably has to go to FDR. In terms of having a vision and making it come true, and that vision being such a game changer and transforming this nation into its modern shape and doing so much good for so many Americans... it's hard to top FDR. Of course, one person having that much power is somewhat contrary to the vision of divided power in this country, so there's definitely a double edge to that sword.

Johnson should get more credit than he does for his strong support for civil rights. Carter should get more credit than he does for his anti war stances. And I'm personally a fan of Jackson and his populism and stances against the financial elite. Taft likewise should get more credit for his opposition to the financial elite. He did more trust busting than Teddy.

I'm honestly baffled at why people like Kennedy so much. What did he do that was so worthy of admiration? I know people liked him because of his youth and charisma, but the only actual things I know of that he did were getting us into Vietnam and not starting a war over the Cuban Missile Crisis. The latter is good, but hardly cause for all the praise he gets. Oh, and he was really really unfaithful to his wife.

JFK created the peace corps. a well executed, novel idea
he stared down kruschev, who was trying to see if he could make kennedy his bitch, both in berlin and in cuba
but most impressively, he had the vision to launch the space program with a very ambitious goal and even more ambitious time line

i will defy anyone to point to a subsequent presidential vision that was as massive and/or as successful

changing gears, i do not see where anyone has pointed to FDR's authorization of a nuclear weaponry program as being as significant and world changing as it actually was
 
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I've seen righties constantly try to champion Truman, JFK and even Clinton as "good" Dems when they play their "divide" card.
But I rarely see Dems on here say any of GOP critters are "good".
Now for me, I would choose Lincoln, TR and IKE as "good" GOPs.
JFK created the peace corps. a well executed, novel idea
he stared down kruschev, who was trying to see if he could make kennedy his bitch, both in berlin and in cuba
but most impressively, he had the vision to launch the space program with a very ambitious goal and even more ambitious time line

i will defy anyone to point to a subsequent presidential vision that was as massive and/or as successful

changing gears, i do not see where anyone has pointed to FDR's authorization of a nuclear weaponry program as being as significant and world changing as it actually was

As for the original Dems before people could vote, they're ours--Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
The GOPs can have both Adams.
But I'll take Sam Adams--blonde if you will .
 
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I've seen righties constantly try to champion Truman, JFK and even Clinton as "good" Dems when they play their "divide" card.
But I rarely see Dems on here say any of GOP critters are "good".
Now for me, I would choose Lincoln, TR and IKE as "good" GOPs.


As for the original Dems before people could vote, they're ours--Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
The GOPs can have both Adams.
But I'll take Sam Adams--blonde if you will .

Wouldn't Washington have been more Centrist?
 
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changing gears, i do not see where anyone has pointed to FDR's authorization
of a nuclear weaponry program as being as significant and world changing as it actually was
Good point bubba.
For all those who commiserate with the two dropped nukes, I wouldn't have been willing to lose a half million soldiers attacking Japan.

And since you mention nukes and FDR, I don't see anyone challenging IKE's use of carpet-bombing in Germany either .
 
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Other topics are sliding into the discussion as are baiting and personal comments. Let's please stick to the topic more closely, from here on out, shall we.
 
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Wouldn't Washington have been more Centrist?
Yes--he was for a strong central government;
especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .
 
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Yes--he was for a strong central government;
especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .

"Strong" is relative.
 
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Yes--he was for a strong central government;
especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .

I meant he was more of a non-partisan person. He didn't expand government very much, just to the point where it could function. He was pretty straight down the middle on most issues, often taking a middle road between the opposing viewpoints of his cabinet. That sort of thing.
 
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Yes--he was for a strong central government;
especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .

the Constitution was created to solve the problems with the A of C, it did not create a national government to control, federal powers are meant to be used external on the union, not inside it....to bind the union with its sovereign states together in certain areas.

the Constitution created federalism, the separation of powers, with few given to the federal government, and numerous powers to remain state powers..
 
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