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Who has been our greatest President?[W:196]

Who has been our greatest President?

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Re: Who has been our greatest President?

ernst barkmann said:
no ...its very CLEAR....you are into "SPIN".

remember the old line" a mind is a terrible thing to waste"
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yes - it seems to fit you rather well.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Jesse Booth said:
Translation of ernst's post: You lied. I didn't say that, and you're twisting what I said to suit your side of the argument.

Huh. That was much simpler than you assumed it would be.
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Except his claim was not backed up by any evidence to prove his slur against me. That is why it was so confusing. The guy does not know the difference between a lie and a difference in viewpoint. Of course, I just described half the right wing posters here who have the same problem.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

ernst barkmann said:
your supposed to be in the area of education, however it appears you are either not telling the truth, or you speak for yourself here because you created your own lie.




you lie.... and said i agreed with you...lie 1......that is false my statements does not support you..........stop if the leftest tactics, of twisting what people say!

AND made it sound as though in talking to me, that it was said FDR was to blame for the depression, which i never even went there that's...........being..... misleading!
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here is your exact quote
ernst barkmann said:
massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.

after the war with America undamaged by it, we were able to ship our goods to every part of the world creating economic prosperity for America until the world recovered from that war.

what is a neo-libertarian?

I don't claim FDR was Satan, however he did do wrong, I could not get his legislation passed so he stacked the court, passed federal laws for powers not delegated by the constitution.
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again, your words:
massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.
massive spending pulled us out of the great depression
that was the point being made which you insisted was wrong
you did then make the post above, thereby concurring with his premise, that government spending was the key to lifting our nation out of the great depression
and social spending was inadequate. it required the military spending to also move our nation's economy forward

your posts have become foolish to the extent you attempt to distance yourself from the very words you have posted
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

justabubba said:
here is your exact quote


again, your words:
massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.
massive spending pulled us out of the great depression
that was the point being made which you insisted was wrong
you did then make the post above, thereby concurring with his premise, that government spending was the key to lifting our nation out of the great depression
and social spending was inadequate. it required the military spending to also move our nation's economy forward

your posts have become foolish to the extent you attempt to distance yourself from the very words you have posted
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again....my words...."massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out"..........depression spending meaning " FDR'S NEW DEAL"

massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

ernst barkmann said:
i see you did not address the subject matter of your false statments.
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what so called "false statements" would those be?

To make it easy on you, just follow this format..............

in post # ________ in thread Haymarket took this position as quoted ____________________________.
The following are false statements he made ___________________________________.
Here is the verifiable evidence that the statements are clearly false _____________________.

Of course, based on your past experience with me here you will NOT provide this.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

you and I rarely agree.....

I will use my own format

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haymarket said:
FDR was President during the period. He presided over the climb out of the Depression ]<---------------disagree here and over the triumph over fascism.
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ernst barkmann said:
yes he was president at that time, however the depression was not over when the WWII started, the war pulled us out of it.America was in sorry shape before and during the wars beginning, American troop training involved wooden rifles and machine guns, and trucks with word "tank" written on them to simulate battles, WWI helmets, along with 1903 springfield rifles.
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haymarket said:
Which proves conclusively that massive government spending was needed to turn the tide against the depression.]<-------------disagree here.......I find it both ironic and amusing that so many members of the libertarian right have not yet gotten the message from their libertarian predecessors. Two previous surveys funded by the rightist Federalist Society and the conservative Wall Street Journal in which their own specially selected hand picked experts decided FDR was indeed GREAT somehow has not deterred the neo-libertarians from their own special cause celebre to brand FDR as the spawn of satan.
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ernst barkmann;1063461179[COLOR="#FF0000" said:
]massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.[/COLOR] after the war with America undamaged by it, we were able to ship our goods to every part of the world creating economic prosperity for America until the world recovered from that war.

what is a neo-libertarian?

I don't claim FDR was Satan, however he did do wrong, I could not get his legislation passed so he stacked the court, passed federal laws for powers not delegated by the constitution.
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haymarket said:
and yes - it was government spending which got us out of the depression. Thank you for agreeing with that. <---------disagree here You see, the Depression had already started and was firmly in hold of the nation before any FDR New Deal spending got really rolling. So it in no way shape or form can be said to be responsible for getting us into the depression in the first place.

A neo-libertarian are folks like you see here who are firmly right wing .
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1)summary..... I did not agree with you, ...you position is FDR'S massive government spending took us out of the depression and then on to victory in WWII.

2)summary of my position, massive government spending of FDR, did not pull America out of the depression, government spending on WWII did, added to that.... the post war era of the u.s. being able to ship its goods around the world because they no longer had a manufacturing base.


3)to conclude...YOU stated I agreed with you, I did not, FDR'S massive spending on the depression 'new deal' ...need not achieve the results he though he could obtain.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

ernst barkmann said:
you and I rarely agree.....

I will use my own format

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#235


#236



#241



#260






1)summary..... I did not agree with you, ...you position is FDR'S massive government spending took us out of the depression and then on to victory in WWII.

2)summary of my position, massive government spending of FDR, did not pull America out of the depression, government spending on WWII did, added to that.... the post war era of the u.s. being able to ship its goods around the world because they no longer had a manufacturing base.


3)to conclude...YOU stated I agreed with you, I did not, FDR'S massive spending on the depression 'new deal' ...need not achieve the results he though he could obtain.
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Your style of writing and argument is at best murky and at worst nearly incomprehensible. I tried to help you by providing a simple format for you but I guess you saw that it doomed you so you rejected it instead preferring whatever you call what you provided.

Massive government spending under the direction of President Roosevelt was done and that is what got us out of the Depression. And you agree.

So where is the false statement? You still have been impotent to present any statement I made and provide any verifiable evidence as to why it is false.
 
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haymarket said:
Your style of writing and argument is at best murky and at worst nearly incomprehensible. I tried to help you by providing a simple format for you but I guess you saw that it doomed you so you rejected it instead preferring whatever you call what you provided.

Massive government spending under the direction of President Roosevelt was done and that is what got us out of the Depression. And you agree.

So where is the false statement? You still have been impotent to present any statement I made and provide any verifiable evidence as to why it is false.
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my style has been shown to be understandable to others already.

what is false?.....where you said I agreed with you, .....after I showed you I disagreed.

massive government spending on the depression. The "new deal", did not get us out of the depression, WWII did...... I stated this several times.


of coarse I saw the bold word...showing I did read your post.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
my style has been shown to be understandable to others already.

what is false?.....where you said I agreed with you, .....after I showed you I disagreed.

massive government spending on the depression. The "new deal", did not get us out of the depression, WWII did...... I stated this several times.


of coarse I saw the bold word...showing I did read your post.
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Let me make this really simple for you: just present my statement which you believe is false. Lets start there.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

haymarket said:
Let me make this really simple for you: just present my statement which you believe is false. Lets start there.
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ok.... if you wish to go over it again.

Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

FDR was President during the period. He presided over the climb out of the Depression ..........................and over the triumph over fascism.

NOTICE THE TWO POINTS HERE......"OVER THE CLIMB OUT OF THE DEPRESSION"...., AND THEN YOU GO ON TO SAY, OVER THE TRIUMPH OVER FASCISM.

SO BY YOUR WORDS, OVER THE CLIMB OUT OF THE DESPRESSION, MAKING IT COMPLETE,........................ AND THEN OVER FASCISM MAKING IT COMPLETE ....MAKING IT A TWO STEP PROCESS.

you made it sound as though FDR got us out of the depression.,and went on to win the war.

and you backed this up with this statement below'


Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

and yes - it was government spending which got us out of the depression.


NOTICE AGAIN....... YOU REALLY MAKE NO REFERNCE TO WAR SPENDING PUTTING AN ENDING TO THE DEPRESSION,


but again it was government spending on the war effort , and not FDR'S new deal spending....plus America's ability to world export after the war, which ended the depression.....


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so do you Haymarket the conclude NOW... government spending on the war, was able to get America out of the depression, and not governments spending
on the new deal......yes or no?

if you say yes.......then we are in agreement on war effort spending...and our conversation here is over.

if you say no........ then you conclude FDR'S "new deal" spending got us out of the depression, which I don't believe that......and therefore you and I could have never agreed in this thread......which earlier you drew that conclusion...which is false
 
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ernst barkmann said:
ok.... if you wish to go over it again.

Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

FDR was President during the period. He presided over the climb out of the Depression ..........................and over the triumph over fascism.

NOTICE THE TWO POINTS HERE......"OVER THE CLIMB OUT OF THE DEPRESSION"...., AND THEN YOU GO ON TO SAY, OVER THE TRIUMPH OVER FASCISM.

SO BY YOUR WORDS, OVER THE CLIMB OUT OF THE DESPRESSION, MAKING IT COMPLETE,........................ AND THEN OVER FASCISM MAKING IT COMPLETE ....MAKING IT A TWO STEP PROCESS.

you made it sound as though FDR got us out of the depression.,and went on to win the war.

and you backed this up with this statement below'


Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

and yes - it was government spending which got us out of the depression.


NOTICE AGAIN....... YOU REALLY MAKE NO REFERNCE TO WAR SPENDING PUTTING AN ENDING TO THE DREPRESSION,


but adain it was government spending on the war effort , and not FDR'S new deal spending....plus America's ability to world export after the war, which ended the depression.....


summary below

so do you Haymarket the conclude NOW... government spending on the war, was able to get America out of the depression, and not governments spending
on the new deal......yes or no?

if you say yes.......then we are in agreement on war effort spending...and our conversation here is over.

if you say no........ then you conclude FDR'S "new deal" spending got us out of the depression, which I don't believe that......and therefore you and I could have never agreed in this thread......which earlier you drew that conclusion...which is false
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So where is the false statement? You still have not yet presented anything from me that is false and can be proven to be so.

And it becomes more and more and more obvious why you rejected the format I simplified for you in favor of your usual convoluted nonsense.
 
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right here.


Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

and yes - it was government spending which got us out of the depression. Thank you for agreeing with that. You see, the Depression had already started and was firmly in hold of the nation before any FDR New Deal spending got really rolling. So it in no way shape or form can be said to be responsible for getting us into the depression in the first place.

A neo-libertarian are folks like you see here who are firmly right wing .



you see you are saying by this statement above of yours... the depression was dealt with by massive government spending, ..however you make no reference to war effort spending, .............that I clearly did.

you are putting in it a light of government spending by FDR, ended the depression, and saying I agree to that conclusion.....but I said the depression ended by of effects of war and after it.

you do not reference the war effort with its spending, ...

all you do is reference the enemies defeat.

so your statement was false and ................misleading.
 
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haymarket said:
You still have not yet presented anything from me that is false
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Your posts aren't enough?

haymarket said:
Your style of writing and argument is at best murky and at worst nearly incomprehensible.
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Only to those with double digit IQ's, like you.
 
radcen said:
Who has been our greatest President?

As President, not other times and aspects of their life.
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This is a tough one for me............I love Abe Lincoln but chose Ronald Reagan.
 
Theodore Roosevelt, all the way. I don't care what all but three of you people think, he's still our greatest President, and a bigger badass than Chuck Norris and Arnold Schwar... Arnold Howeverthehellyouspellhisname combined!
 
Jesse Booth said:
Theodore Roosevelt, all the way. I don't care what all but three of you people think, he's still our greatest President, and a bigger badass than Chuck Norris and Arnold Schwar... Arnold Howeverthehellyouspellhisname combined!
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after all, he stole panama fair and square
 
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Lachean said:
Your posts aren't enough?



Only to those with double digit IQ's, like you.
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Then I challenge you to use your obviously massive IQ and intellect to simply go over the last few pages in my exchange with Herr Barkmann and point out my false statement.

Of course, you will not as you never back up these sort of silly attacks with any actual proof or evidence.
 
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haymarket said:
Then I challenge you to use your obviously massive IQ and intellect to simply go over the last few pages in my exchange with Herr Barkmann and point out my false statement.

Of course, you will not as you never back up these sort of silly attacks with any actual proof or evidence.
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You misspelled Ernst. Also, from what I've seen of your responses, you seem to view the evidence as entirely subjective. I pity anybody stubborn enough to try and reason with you.

Goddamn my stubbornness...

Your false statement was about Ernst's comment on massive wartime spending. You seem to have it in your head that he was referring to government spending on the war, but he wasn't. He was talking about how the massive demand for resources acted like an adrenaline shot for businesses. Mines, farms, factories, really just about every part of the American economy was suddenly back in business. Whether you agree with him or not is irrelevent. Intentional or not, you misrepresented what he was saying.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Of course its hypocrisy. If they have railed that it is such a horrible system that should be dismantled, the fact they are WILLINGLY taking part in it after they retire is SUPPORTING such a system. Yes, it's hypocrisy sorry because they feel that since they can now benefit from such a system its ok.
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You're ignoring the fact that people are FORCED to pay into the system for forty some odd years before they can collect a dime. Social Security is based on the promise that if you pay in when you're young, it will pay off when you're old and start collecting for yourself. Assuming of course you live that long. I can't blame anyone who hits retirement age and decides, "Hey, I might as well get what I can out of this lousy system I was forced to support for my entire working life."

I may disagree with a ton of government programs, but as long as I am forced to pay taxes to support those programs, you can bet I'm going to squeeze every last legal benefit I can out of those programs. It's just common sense.
 
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... do people ever pause to consider how massive of scale a country like the United States is? There are no "good presidents", only good time periods.

A good president is someone who rides the wave while discharging the minimum of duties necessary to maintain its natural velocity. Time periods are good or bad because the American people are good or bad.

We're going through a bad time period because special interests have knotted up society and bent it out of shape with its natural velocity.
 
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Psychoclown said:
You're ignoring the fact that people are FORCED to pay into the system for forty some odd years before they can collect a dime. Social Security is based on the promise that if you pay in when you're young, it will pay off when you're old and start collecting for yourself. Assuming of course you live that long. I can't blame anyone who hits retirement age and decides, "Hey, I might as well get what I can out of this lousy system I was forced to support for my entire working life."

I may disagree with a ton of government programs, but as long as I am forced to pay taxes to support those programs, you can bet I'm going to squeeze every last legal benefit I can out of those programs. It's just common sense.
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Well then don't be surpised when you are called a hypocrite then. If the very system shouldn't be there, taking advantage of it is hypocritical. Sorry you don't like the truth.
 
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