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  • George Washington

    23 21.50%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    5 4.67%
  • Abraham Lincoln

    19 17.76%
  • Teddy Roosevelt

    4 3.74%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    0 0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    19 17.76%
  • John Kennedy

    1 0.93%
  • Ronald Reagan

    21 19.63%
  • Bill Clinton

    3 2.80%
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no ...its very CLEAR....you are into "SPIN".

    remember the old line" a mind is a terrible thing to waste"
    yes - it seems to fit you rather well.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Translation of ernst's post: You lied. I didn't say that, and you're twisting what I said to suit your side of the argument.

    Huh. That was much simpler than you assumed it would be.
    Except his claim was not backed up by any evidence to prove his slur against me. That is why it was so confusing. The guy does not know the difference between a lie and a difference in viewpoint. Of course, I just described half the right wing posters here who have the same problem.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your supposed to be in the area of education, however it appears you are either not telling the truth, or you speak for yourself here because you created your own lie.




    you lie.... and said i agreed with you...lie 1......that is false my statements does not support you..........stop if the leftest tactics, of twisting what people say!

    AND made it sound as though in talking to me, that it was said FDR was to blame for the depression, which i never even went there that's...........being..... misleading!
    here is your exact quote
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.

    after the war with America undamaged by it, we were able to ship our goods to every part of the world creating economic prosperity for America until the world recovered from that war.

    what is a neo-libertarian?

    I don't claim FDR was Satan, however he did do wrong, I could not get his legislation passed so he stacked the court, passed federal laws for powers not delegated by the constitution.
    again, your words:
    massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.
    massive spending pulled us out of the great depression
    that was the point being made which you insisted was wrong
    you did then make the post above, thereby concurring with his premise, that government spending was the key to lifting our nation out of the great depression
    and social spending was inadequate. it required the military spending to also move our nation's economy forward

    your posts have become foolish to the extent you attempt to distance yourself from the very words you have posted
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is your exact quote


    again, your words:
    massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.
    massive spending pulled us out of the great depression
    that was the point being made which you insisted was wrong
    you did then make the post above, thereby concurring with his premise, that government spending was the key to lifting our nation out of the great depression
    and social spending was inadequate. it required the military spending to also move our nation's economy forward

    your posts have become foolish to the extent you attempt to distance yourself from the very words you have posted

    again....my words...."massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out"..........depression spending meaning " FDR'S NEW DEAL"

    massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yes - it seems to fit you rather well.
    i see you did not address the subject matter of your false statments.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i see you did not address the subject matter of your false statments.
    what so called "false statements" would those be?

    To make it easy on you, just follow this format..............

    in post # ________ in thread Haymarket took this position as quoted ____________________________.
    The following are false statements he made ___________________________________.
    Here is the verifiable evidence that the statements are clearly false _____________________.

    Of course, based on your past experience with me here you will NOT provide this.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    you and I rarely agree.....

    I will use my own format

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    FDR was President during the period. He presided over the climb out of the Depression ]<---------------disagree here and over the triumph over fascism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes he was president at that time, however the depression was not over when the WWII started, the war pulled us out of it.America was in sorry shape before and during the wars beginning, American troop training involved wooden rifles and machine guns, and trucks with word "tank" written on them to simulate battles, WWI helmets, along with 1903 springfield rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which proves conclusively that massive government spending was needed to turn the tide against the depression.]<-------------disagree here.......I find it both ironic and amusing that so many members of the libertarian right have not yet gotten the message from their libertarian predecessors. Two previous surveys funded by the rightist Federalist Society and the conservative Wall Street Journal in which their own specially selected hand picked experts decided FDR was indeed GREAT somehow has not deterred the neo-libertarians from their own special cause celebre to brand FDR as the spawn of satan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann;1063461179[COLOR="#FF0000"
    ]massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out.[/COLOR] after the war with America undamaged by it, we were able to ship our goods to every part of the world creating economic prosperity for America until the world recovered from that war.

    what is a neo-libertarian?

    I don't claim FDR was Satan, however he did do wrong, I could not get his legislation passed so he stacked the court, passed federal laws for powers not delegated by the constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and yes - it was government spending which got us out of the depression. Thank you for agreeing with that. <---------disagree here You see, the Depression had already started and was firmly in hold of the nation before any FDR New Deal spending got really rolling. So it in no way shape or form can be said to be responsible for getting us into the depression in the first place.

    A neo-libertarian are folks like you see here who are firmly right wing .



    1)summary..... I did not agree with you, ...you position is FDR'S massive government spending took us out of the depression and then on to victory in WWII.

    2)summary of my position, massive government spending of FDR, did not pull America out of the depression, government spending on WWII did, added to that.... the post war era of the u.s. being able to ship its goods around the world because they no longer had a manufacturing base.


    3)to conclude...YOU stated I agreed with you, I did not, FDR'S massive spending on the depression 'new deal' ...need not achieve the results he though he could obtain.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you and I rarely agree.....

    I will use my own format

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    1)summary..... I did not agree with you, ...you position is FDR'S massive government spending took us out of the depression and then on to victory in WWII.

    2)summary of my position, massive government spending of FDR, did not pull America out of the depression, government spending on WWII did, added to that.... the post war era of the u.s. being able to ship its goods around the world because they no longer had a manufacturing base.


    3)to conclude...YOU stated I agreed with you, I did not, FDR'S massive spending on the depression 'new deal' ...need not achieve the results he though he could obtain.
    Your style of writing and argument is at best murky and at worst nearly incomprehensible. I tried to help you by providing a simple format for you but I guess you saw that it doomed you so you rejected it instead preferring whatever you call what you provided.

    Massive government spending under the direction of President Roosevelt was done and that is what got us out of the Depression. And you agree.

    So where is the false statement? You still have been impotent to present any statement I made and provide any verifiable evidence as to why it is false.
    Last edited by haymarket; 07-02-14 at 01:54 PM.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your style of writing and argument is at best murky and at worst nearly incomprehensible. I tried to help you by providing a simple format for you but I guess you saw that it doomed you so you rejected it instead preferring whatever you call what you provided.

    Massive government spending under the direction of President Roosevelt was done and that is what got us out of the Depression. And you agree.

    So where is the false statement? You still have been impotent to present any statement I made and provide any verifiable evidence as to why it is false.
    my style has been shown to be understandable to others already.

    what is false?.....where you said I agreed with you, .....after I showed you I disagreed.

    massive government spending on the depression. The "new deal", did not get us out of the depression, WWII did...... I stated this several times.


    of coarse I saw the bold word...showing I did read your post.
    Last edited by Master PO; 07-02-14 at 02:19 PM.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    my style has been shown to be understandable to others already.

    what is false?.....where you said I agreed with you, .....after I showed you I disagreed.

    massive government spending on the depression. The "new deal", did not get us out of the depression, WWII did...... I stated this several times.


    of coarse I saw the bold word...showing I did read your post.
    Let me make this really simple for you: just present my statement which you believe is false. Lets start there.
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