View Poll Results: Who has been our greatest President?

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  • George Washington

    23 21.50%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    5 4.67%
  • Abraham Lincoln

    19 17.76%
  • Teddy Roosevelt

    4 3.74%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    0 0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    19 17.76%
  • John Kennedy

    1 0.93%
  • Ronald Reagan

    21 19.63%
  • Bill Clinton

    3 2.80%
  • Other (please elaborate)

    12 11.21%
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah I like how many Republicans say FDR should be scorned, but have no problem enjoying Social Security. When I see a Republican scorn FDR and NOT accept social security, then I will be impressed with that person.
    Of course people take it once they can. They've paid into the system all those years whether they wanted to or not, so only a fool would not take the payments once they finally come. Accepting social security payments despite one's opposition to the program as a whole isn't hypocrisy, its just common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Of course people take it once they can. They've paid into the system all those years whether they wanted to or not, so only a fool would not take the payments once they finally come. Accepting social security payments despite one's opposition to the program as a whole isn't hypocrisy, its just common sense.
    So you can condemn something but still get in line for it and benefit from it just the same? Social security, roads, highways, airports, schools, hospitals - the list goes on and on and on and on. What ever happened to standing by your principles and having nothing to do with something you feel is so morally objectionable?

    I used to find it quite amazing all the creative ways right leaning libertarians could come up with to rationalize and excuse their own hypocrisy. Now, after see it for year after year, it is no longer quite so amazing and is now simply sad.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Of course people take it once they can. They've paid into the system all those years whether they wanted to or not, so only a fool would not take the payments once they finally come. Accepting social security payments despite one's opposition to the program as a whole isn't hypocrisy, its just common sense.
    Of course its hypocrisy. If they have railed that it is such a horrible system that should be dismantled, the fact they are WILLINGLY taking part in it after they retire is SUPPORTING such a system. Yes, it's hypocrisy sorry because they feel that since they can now benefit from such a system its ok.

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    This is nothing new, it's been going on for a long time and it won't change anytime soon.

    Few people will ever throw away a valid check that comes in the mail, why should they when they paid into it?

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and yes - it was government spending which got us out of the depression. Thank you for agreeing with that. You see, the Depression had already started and was firmly in hold of the nation before any FDR New Deal spending got really rolling. So it in no way shape or form can be said to be responsible for getting us into the depression in the first place.

    A neo-libertarian are folks like you see here who are firmly right wing .

    your supposed to be in the area of education, however it appears you are either not telling the truth, or you speak for yourself here because you created your own lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    [B][massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out/B]......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out...

    you lie.... and said i agreed with you...lie 1......that is false my statements does not support you..........stop if the leftest tactics, of twisting what people say!

    AND made it sound as though in talking to me, that it was said FDR was to blame for the depression, which i never even went there that's...........being..... misleading!

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your supposed to be in the area of education, however it appears you are either not telling the truth, or you speak for yourself here because you created your own lie.




    you lie.... and said i agreed with you...lie 1......that is false my statements does not support you..........stop if the leftest tactics, of twisting what people say!

    AND made it sound as though in talking to me, that it was said FDR was to blame for the depression, which i never even went there that's...........being..... misleading!

    Somebody would need a scorecard with additional columns and arrows and explanatory footnotes to figure out what the hell you are trying to say there. And I suspect that even then it would not be enough to give that post any real clarity.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Somebody would need a scorecard with additional columns and arrows and explanatory footnotes to figure out what the hell you are trying to say there. And I suspect that even then it would not be enough to give that post any real clarity.
    Translation of ernst's post: You lied. I didn't say that, and you're twisting what I said to suit your side of the argument.

    Huh. That was much simpler than you assumed it would be.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Somebody would need a scorecard with additional columns and arrows and explanatory footnotes to figure out what the hell you are trying to say there. And I suspect that even then it would not be enough to give that post any real clarity.
    no ...its very CLEAR....you are into "SPIN".

    remember the old line" a mind is a terrible thing to waste"

    you need to adhere to this line ..." to spin the truth is a terrible thing to do"......

    so please stop..... spinning .

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I see you acknowledge WWII was a factor in the world overcoming the great depression. However, it was the main factor. No WWII and who knows when the great depression would have ended.
    And if you'll think about it, how did WWII get us out of the Depression? With the biggest "Big Government" we've ever had - by millions of men and thousands of women signing up to work for the government in the military, by millions more working in the factories producing the war materiel that the government was buying.

    In other words, WWII was - in economic terms - the biggest economic stimulus we've ever had...and it worked wonderfully. It was a grand exercise in Keynesian economics...and it succeeded in every sense of the word.
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