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  • George Washington

    23 21.50%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    5 4.67%
  • Abraham Lincoln

    19 17.76%
  • Teddy Roosevelt

    4 3.74%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    0 0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    19 17.76%
  • John Kennedy

    1 0.93%
  • Ronald Reagan

    21 19.63%
  • Bill Clinton

    3 2.80%
  • Other (please elaborate)

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?[W:196]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Who has been our greatest President?

    As President, not other times and aspects of their life.
    Abraham Lincoln. No other President suffered through trials to the extent to which he was made to master, those challenges being the very demise of our nation as a unified body. Besides, his speeches are the best of any president to date.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would agree with you. Problem is that whenever a discussion about the "greatest President" comes up, as soon as FDR is mentioned, our cadre of militant libertarians come out spewing as much hyperbolic ridiculousness as possible, demonstrating an inability to understand the big picture, and a war between FDR-haters and FDR-supporters ensues. I could go through DP history and probably pull up at least a dozen threads just like that.

    Look. We all get it. Libertarians don't like FDR because he was more active and hands on. Progressives like him for those reasons. Guess what? Both are OPINIONS. Those who think they are factually correct about their position tend to be hacks who can't see anything past their own little world. FDR did some very good things. He also did some very questionable things. THAT'S an accurate statement.

    But, moving on, though I don't think he was one of our greatest Presidents, John Adams is an intriguing figure. Yes, the Alien and Sedition Acts was one of the worst laws ever to be put forth in the US, but he handled the XYZ Affair and the Quasi-War, masterfully.
    I'm a Libertarian, and my reason for not liking FDR was because of what he did to the Japanese-Americans.

    I agree that people focus too hard on taxes when discussing FDR. It started out as a tax discussion pertaining to his term, then somehow it morphed into a tax discussion, and what taxes are for, and if you don't like it you should leave the country, etc. Back and forth, round and round, somehow even ending up with a woman being raped twice....ugh.

    FDR's Presidency is all across the board, exactly as you said. Some good, some bad, but I guess we could say that about any President.

    John Adams was a very intriguing figure indeed.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar
    I'm going to move outside the box and say John Adams. Our country was still in it's infantry infancy,
    So, I guess Lincoln was president while your country was in civil war cavalry?
    LOL...

    I meant infancy...

    The likes of Washington, Lincoln, etc. were president at pivotal points in our history. They were indeed great men, but are they in the best of presidents catagory because of circumstance, or their uniqueness? Would someone else have done any less of a job? Maybe better?

    I could only rule out two in the OP list that I place in the best of presidents category..

    Anyone watch the John Adams mini-series?

    John Adams (TV Mini-Series 2008) - IMDb

    I don't know how accurate it was, but he was one of our great founding fathers.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    In this order:

    1. Abraham Lincoln

    2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    3. Thomas Jefferson

    4. Theodore Roosevelt

    5. Woodrow Wilson

    Washington's contribution to the founding of the United States should not be overlooked, but I'm not sure what he did as President (other than not become a military dictator) that would make him be considered one of our greatest.
    This is actually a very good point, and worth pondering. Though I would also add that good governing is sometimes what you don't do, just as much as it is what you do do.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about as you are making no sense.
    I made plenty of sense. You just chose to ignore it, and instead responded (feigning ignorance) on an inane comment that originated with you. Another masterful deflection. Bravo!
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I made plenty of sense. You just chose to ignore it, and instead responded (feigning ignorance) on an inane comment that originated with you. Another masterful deflection. Bravo!
    No you did not make any sense. And you are still not.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Truman and Eisenhower supported the French in Vietnam to gain their support in Europe against the USSR. After the French defeat in 1954, the US had no reason to stay. Nevertheless, Eisenhower did. Everything else is the result of Eisenhower's war mongering.
    the fall of China caused Truman to support the French in viet nam rather than positively responding to Ho Chi Minh's request that the USA help Viet Nam become independent



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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?[W:196]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Who has been our greatest President?

    As President, not other times and aspects of their life.
    Lincoln without a doubt in my mind. He saved the Republic, the Constitution, and laid down the framework for the future of the United States.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm a Libertarian, and my reason for not liking FDR was because of what he did to the Japanese-Americans.
    Neither did I, but we are Monday-Morning Quarterbacking the issue. It would be like criticizing Jackson's treatment of Native Americans. Was it wrong? Certainly. It was genocidal, but in the context of the time, it made sense.

    I agree that people focus too hard on taxes when discussing FDR. It started out as a tax discussion pertaining to his term, then somehow it morphed into a tax discussion, and what taxes are for, and if you don't like it you should leave the country, etc. Back and forth, round and round, somehow even ending up with a woman being raped twice....ugh.

    FDR's Presidency is all across the board, exactly as you said. Some good, some bad, but I guess we could say that about any President.
    Agreed.

    John Adams was a very intriguing figure indeed.
    He was very independent in a lot of ways.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    LOL...

    I meant infancy...

    The likes of Washington, Lincoln, etc. were president at pivotal points in our history. They were indeed great men, but are they in the best of presidents catagory because of circumstance, or their uniqueness? Would someone else have done any less of a job? Maybe better?

    I could only rule out two in the OP list that I place in the best of presidents category..

    Anyone watch the John Adams mini-series?

    John Adams (TV Mini-Series 2008) - IMDb

    I don't know how accurate it was,
    but he was one of our great founding fathers.



    None of whom fought hard enough against slavery.

    Which makes them not so great, they were all flawed men who could have done a better job.

    But then we wouldn't have a Civil War to write and talk about.

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