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  • George Washington

    23 21.50%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    5 4.67%
  • Abraham Lincoln

    19 17.76%
  • Teddy Roosevelt

    4 3.74%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    0 0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    19 17.76%
  • John Kennedy

    1 0.93%
  • Ronald Reagan

    21 19.63%
  • Bill Clinton

    3 2.80%
  • Other (please elaborate)

    12 11.21%
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Eisenhower started the US on the road to the Vietnam disaster. Eisenhower knew that could happen and warned us about the military-industrial complex. LBJ may have been able to stop it but he was victimized by the public policy inertia created by capitalists and their stooges in government. He certainly deserves some blame but a lot of it is because he wasn't a miracle worker.
    LBJ a victim?

    He started the Vietnam "war," not Eisenhower. He could have easily pulled back troops but chose to escalate the conflict instead.

    LBJ deserves all the blame. It cost him his presidency. Sorry you feel the need to make excuses for him and can't see that.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Well, I'm certainly glad to see that Wilson has no votes. Seriously, **** that guy. But his wife Edith deserves tremendous praise and credit for her efforts on the 19th amendment. It's a shame we couldn't have her instead of him the whole time.

    In terms of presidents, as opposed to their congresses, really standing out and making a difference, the best probably has to go to FDR. In terms of having a vision and making it come true, and that vision being such a game changer and transforming this nation into its modern shape and doing so much good for so many Americans... it's hard to top FDR. Of course, one person having that much power is somewhat contrary to the vision of divided power in this country, so there's definitely a double edge to that sword.

    Johnson should get more credit than he does for his strong support for civil rights. Carter should get more credit than he does for his anti war stances. And I'm personally a fan of Jackson and his populism and stances against the financial elite. Taft likewise should get more credit for his opposition to the financial elite. He did more trust busting than Teddy.

    I'm honestly baffled at why people like Kennedy so much. What did he do that was so worthy of admiration? I know people liked him because of his youth and charisma, but the only actual things I know of that he did were getting us into Vietnam and not starting a war over the Cuban Missile Crisis. The latter is good, but hardly cause for all the praise he gets. Oh, and he was really really unfaithful to his wife.
    JFK created the peace corps. a well executed, novel idea
    he stared down kruschev, who was trying to see if he could make kennedy his bitch, both in berlin and in cuba
    but most impressively, he had the vision to launch the space program with a very ambitious goal and even more ambitious time line

    i will defy anyone to point to a subsequent presidential vision that was as massive and/or as successful

    changing gears, i do not see where anyone has pointed to FDR's authorization of a nuclear weaponry program as being as significant and world changing as it actually was
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    I've seen righties constantly try to champion Truman, JFK and even Clinton as "good" Dems when they play their "divide" card.
    But I rarely see Dems on here say any of GOP critters are "good".
    Now for me, I would choose Lincoln, TR and IKE as "good" GOPs.
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    JFK created the peace corps. a well executed, novel idea
    he stared down kruschev, who was trying to see if he could make kennedy his bitch, both in berlin and in cuba
    but most impressively, he had the vision to launch the space program with a very ambitious goal and even more ambitious time line

    i will defy anyone to point to a subsequent presidential vision that was as massive and/or as successful

    changing gears, i do not see where anyone has pointed to FDR's authorization of a nuclear weaponry program as being as significant and world changing as it actually was
    As for the original Dems before people could vote, they're ours--Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I've seen righties constantly try to champion Truman, JFK and even Clinton as "good" Dems when they play their "divide" card.
    But I rarely see Dems on here say any of GOP critters are "good".
    Now for me, I would choose Lincoln, TR and IKE as "good" GOPs.


    As for the original Dems before people could vote, they're ours--Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
    The GOPs can have both Adams.
    But I'll take Sam Adams--blonde if you will .
    Wouldn't Washington have been more Centrist?
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    changing gears, i do not see where anyone has pointed to FDR's authorization
    of a nuclear weaponry program as being as significant and world changing as it actually was
    Good point bubba.
    For all those who commiserate with the two dropped nukes, I wouldn't have been willing to lose a half million soldiers attacking Japan.

    And since you mention nukes and FDR, I don't see anyone challenging IKE's use of carpet-bombing in Germany either .
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Wouldn't Washington have been more Centrist?
    Yes--he was for a strong central government;
    especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

    And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yes--he was for a strong central government;
    especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

    And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yes--he was for a strong central government;
    especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

    And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .
    I meant he was more of a non-partisan person. He didn't expand government very much, just to the point where it could function. He was pretty straight down the middle on most issues, often taking a middle road between the opposing viewpoints of his cabinet. That sort of thing.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yes--he was for a strong central government;
    especially remembering how certain states didn't want to donate to the cause of the Revolutionary war.

    And just look at those terrortorial expansionists like Jefferson along with the Monroe Doctrine .
    the Constitution was created to solve the problems with the A of C, it did not create a national government to control, federal powers are meant to be used external on the union, not inside it....to bind the union with its sovereign states together in certain areas.

    the Constitution created federalism, the separation of powers, with few given to the federal government, and numerous powers to remain state powers..

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