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  • George Washington

    23 21.50%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    5 4.67%
  • Abraham Lincoln

    19 17.76%
  • Teddy Roosevelt

    4 3.74%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    0 0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    19 17.76%
  • John Kennedy

    1 0.93%
  • Ronald Reagan

    21 19.63%
  • Bill Clinton

    3 2.80%
  • Other (please elaborate)

    12 11.21%
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    WTF is "onanism"? If this is a reference to the biblical story, how the hell does it have anything to do with wanting presidents to die in office?

    Perhaps somebody should look it up? I'd like to know what "onanism" is too. Also, just out of curiosity, what biblical story are you talking about?
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    His goals were achieved as we both put the Depression behind us and then defeated global fascism. Deal with that. To pretend otherwise is self imposed mental illness.
    It wasn't, as you would like to believe, the alphabet soup approach known as the New Deal that led the country out of the great depression. It helped some people gain employment through government spending, but didn't end the depression.

    'He got us out of the Great Depression." That's probably the most frequent comment made about President Franklin Roosevelt, who died 65 years ago today. Every Democratic president from Truman to Obama has believed it, and each has used FDR's New Deal as a model for expanding the government.

    It's a myth. FDR did not get us out of the Great Depression—not during the 1930s, and only in a limited sense during World War II.

    The New Deal, by forcing taxes up and discouraging entrepreneurs from investing, probably did more harm than good.

    Roosevelt died before the war ended and before he could implement his New Deal revival. His successor, Harry Truman, in a 16,000 word message on Sept. 6, 1945, urged Congress to enact FDR's ideas as the best way to achieve full employment after the war.

    Congress—both chambers with Democratic majorities—responded by just saying "no." No to the whole New Deal revival: no federal program for health care, no full-employment act, only limited federal housing, and no increase in minimum wage or Social Security benefits.

    Instead, Congress reduced taxes. Income tax rates were cut across the board. FDR's top marginal rate, 94% on all income over $200,000, was cut to 86.45%. The lowest rate was cut to 19% from 23%, and with a change in the amount of income exempt from taxation an estimated 12 million Americans were eliminated from the tax rolls entirely.

    Corporate tax rates were trimmed and FDR's "excess profits" tax was repealed, which meant that top marginal corporate tax rates effectively went to 38% from 90% after 1945.

    The country essentially traded temporary jobs for a skyrocketing national debt. Many of those jobs had little or no value after the war.
    Burt Folsom: Did FDR End the Depression? - WSJ

    The End of the Great Depression

    To many at the time, President Roosevelt was a hero. They believed that he cared deeply for the common man and that he was doing his best to end the Great Depression. Looking back, however, it is uncertain as to how much Roosevelt's New Deal programs helped to end the Great Depression. By all accounts, the New Deal programs eased the hardships of the Great Depression; however, the U.S. economy was still extremely bad by the end of the 1930s.

    The major turn-around for the U.S. economy occurred after the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the entrance of the United States into World War II. Once the U.S. was involved in the war, both people and industry became essential to the war effort. Weapons, artillery, ships, and airplanes were needed quickly. Men were trained to become soldiers and the women were kept on the homefront to keep the factories going. Food needed to be grown for both the homefront and to send overseas.

    It was ultimately the entrance of the U.S. into World War II that ended the Great Depression in the United States.
    Great Depression - 20th Century History

    It is clear that President Roosevelt’s actions to spend large amounts of money on public projects in the 30’s did cause short-term job increases, and many of the projects had a valuable long-term benefit, especially infrastructure development. However, these gains did not end the Great Depression, and may have made it more severe and last longer than otherwise.

    There were three major factors that ended the Depression:

    1. The destruction during the war of most of the industrial capacity of most of the major industrial powers (including in Europe and Japan), but not including the United States, left us with a near monopoly on production of major items. In fact, many of the factories greatly built up their capacity for the war, and the increased capacity was used to advantage after the war. This advantage lasted several decades, and gave us a long head start on establishing markets.
    2. A pent up needs for automobiles, appliances, and many other items developed due to the manufacturing plants converting to manufacturing supplies for the war. After the war, the conversion back allowed huge amounts of sales of these items. This lasted long enough to establish many businesses solidly.
    3. The GI bill allowed huge numbers of military personal to buy homes, and even more important, go to college. The large increase in well-educated people resulting had a major effect on the level of technology that could be developed. The middle class grew to a much larger percent of the population, and consumer buying increased greatly.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    FDR was a "great president" in the sense he accomplished is goals. he also had the most deleterious impact on America since he pissed all over the concept of a limited government. He made the government a malignancy
    Utter nonsense. "Limited government" is a myth created by misfits and malcontents and spread by stooges and shills. The US government was created to be a boundless source of service to the American People. FDR knew that and showed us how to do it.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that and wilson and LBJ were the three most harmful presidencies in US History
    Because the acted to promote and provide for the general welfare?
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    WTF is "onanism"? If this is a reference to the biblical story, how the hell does it have anything to do with wanting presidents to die in office?
    Onanism. Online dictionaries are your friend.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Johnson should get more credit than he does for his strong support for civil rights.
    Are you referring to this Johnson, as in LBJ?

    President Truman's civil rights program "is a farce and a sham--an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill ... I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill."
    -- Rep. Lyndon B. Johnson
    Johnson guided the passage of the first civil rights bill since Reconstruction in 1957, in the belief that blacks would vote Republican in 1960 unless the Democrats gave them civil rights legislation.13 J ohnson also saw personal benefits; he believed throughout his career that if he wished to become a national leader, he would have to leave segregation behind.14
    Prologue: Selected Articles

    Indeed, LBJ biographer Robert Caro notes that prior to 1957, Johnson “had never supported civil rights legislation—any civil rights legislation,” including anti-lynching legislation. His private behavior toward blacks was appalling. Robert Parker, LBJ’s longtime black employee and limousine chauffeur, claims that Johsnon blasted him daily with a blizzard of bigoted slurs. And even as LBJ was being praised by liberals for his appointment of Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, behind closed doors LBJ’s cynical brand of “identity politics” became clear. As presidential historian Robert Dallek recounts, LBJ explained his decision to a staff member by saying, “"Son, when I appoint a nig—r to the court, I want everyone to know he's a nig—r."
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Because the acted to promote and provide for the general welfare?
    You mean promoting the general welfare as in sending over 58,000 US servicemen and 2,000,000 Vietnamese to their deaths?

    Or you mean welfare as in "welfare state"?

    "Fifty years ago, America began the War on Poverty," said Project 21 Co-Chairman Horace Cooper. "Having spent trillions with little to show for it, it's clearly time to declare a cease fire. After destroying generations of blacks and all but destroying the black family in total, it is time to try empowerment and personal responsibility."
    "President Johnson's War on Poverty, which was being formulated during the Kennedy Administration, is perhaps the only government institution that destroyed and devastated the black American upward mobility and family structure. As an assistant secretary of labor, Daniel Patrick Moynihan warned that the premise and concept of the War on Poverty would be detrimental to black America," said Project 21's Charles Butler. "The infamous split between the races that Moynihan predicted has created a deficit between white and black in key areas such as education, income and net worth. Yet we keep doing the same thing repeatedly hoping for a different result."
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I rarely agree politically with you but I agree with much of this post.

    The only major disagreement I have is with FDR. What he did to the Americans of Japanese descent is as shameful as any other act ever committed by a President.
    And what would you have done as FDR? Just look at how your GOP treated Bergdahl's Father, calling him a Muslim and far worse. How GOPs have trashed their own in Idaho, the REDDEST state in the Union. Spare us your hindsight--war is hell and we were attacked .
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Because the acted to promote and provide for the general welfare?
    LOL, no because he raped the constitution and destroyed the boundaries placed on the federal government by the Founders



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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And what would you have done as FDR? Just look at how your GOP treated Bergdahl's Father, calling him a Muslim and far worse. How GOPs have trashed their own in Idaho, the REDDEST state in the Union. Spare us your hindsight--war is hell and we were attacked .
    He does have a point, Borachos. I believe what FDR did was wrong too, but it's an understandable evil.
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