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  • George Washington

    23 21.50%
  • Thomas Jefferson

    5 4.67%
  • Abraham Lincoln

    19 17.76%
  • Teddy Roosevelt

    4 3.74%
  • Woodrow Wilson

    0 0%
  • Franklin Roosevelt

    19 17.76%
  • John Kennedy

    1 0.93%
  • Ronald Reagan

    21 19.63%
  • Bill Clinton

    3 2.80%
  • Other (please elaborate)

    12 11.21%
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You're a man after my own heart, then. I'm a big Coolidge fan.
    i'll buy that.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Well, I'm certainly glad to see that Wilson has no votes. Seriously, **** that guy. But his wife Edith deserves tremendous praise and credit for her efforts on the 19th amendment. It's a shame we couldn't have her instead of him the whole time.

    In terms of presidents, as opposed to their congresses, really standing out and making a difference, the best probably has to go to FDR. In terms of having a vision and making it come true, and that vision being such a game changer and transforming this nation into its modern shape and doing so much good for so many Americans... it's hard to top FDR. Of course, one person having that much power is somewhat contrary to the vision of divided power in this country, so there's definitely a double edge to that sword.

    Johnson should get more credit than he does for his strong support for civil rights. Carter should get more credit than he does for his anti war stances. And I'm personally a fan of Jackson and his populism and stances against the financial elite. Taft likewise should get more credit for his opposition to the financial elite. He did more trust busting than Teddy.

    I'm honestly baffled at why people like Kennedy so much. What did he do that was so worthy of admiration? I know people liked him because of his youth and charisma, but the only actual things I know of that he did were getting us into Vietnam and not starting a war over the Cuban Missile Crisis. The latter is good, but hardly cause for all the praise he gets. Oh, and he was really really unfaithful to his wife.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    His goals didn't allow the US to overcome the great depression, unless he sat on the knowledge that Pearl Harbor was going to be bombed, no matter how noble they may have been. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.
    His goals were achieved as we both put the Depression behind us and then defeated global fascism. Deal with that. To pretend otherwise is self imposed mental illness.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Neither was Nixon.
    that is correct as impeachment is a vote of the full House to accuse the President of crimes and placing him on trial in the Senate. Let us also state the rest of the story that the House was in the process of taking the necessary steps to impeach Nixon and would have done so. Hugh Scott of Pennsylvania headed a small delegation of Republican Senators to the White House on 8/7/74 and told Nixon point blank that the votes in the Senate would be to convict him. Senator Barry Goldwater was part of that and the previous day he came out forcefully against Nixon calling his excuses "lies". After Nixon heard from Scott and Goldwater on the seventh he then resigned on the ninth.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Wow. Keep it classy, guys.
    It seemed like the rational response to yet another dose of political onanism.
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    His goals were achieved as we both put the Depression behind us and then defeated global fascism. Deal with that. To pretend otherwise is self imposed mental illness.
    sorry... that is not true WWII lifted America out of the depression.

    America was not even prepared for war when it came.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Incorrect. I understand the reality of how the country works and what the country needs unlike most FDR-haters. The New Deal was the hallmark of social programs that should be held up as an example for others and has done more to HELP this county than things most other Presidents have done. The only people who think that FDR caused harm are people who are just anti-liberals and go along with that belief lockstep with little actually understanding, or people who's ideology dictates their thinking rather than the other way around.
    That is because you see people as incapable, requiring the support if thier betters (which you presume to be a part of). You cannot accept that failure in life can and should occur and feel guilt at your own success. The end game of progressives is a small elite group guiding the unwashed masses to makee "good choices" They are unable to do on thier own
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As many times as I've driven the 950 to and from Denver, the upcoming Western trip will be more like 700 a day with my Wife along.
    Over the Big Horns and through Yellowstone to the West Entrance.
    All roads in the park are upgraded and done.
    National Forest roads around Yellowstone/Tetons are also awesome as you know.


    So is Trail Ridge road open yet?
    Isn't this another year for construction out to Bear Lake or is it done ?
    Honestly, I have no idea. I don't think I have driven Trail Ridge Road in 15 years.... The National Park is much too crowded (though I was in RMNP twice this winter, for the first time in 15 years) There a plenty of equally to more scenic and far, far, far less crowded places in Colorado than the National Park.

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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It seemed like the rational response to yet another dose of political onanism.
    WTF is "onanism"? If this is a reference to the biblical story, how the hell does it have anything to do with wanting presidents to die in office?
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    Re: Who has been our greatest President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Well, I'm certainly glad to see that Wilson has no votes. Seriously, **** that guy. But his wife Edith deserves tremendous praise and credit for her efforts on the 19th amendment. It's a shame we couldn't have her instead of him the whole time.

    In terms of presidents, as opposed to their congresses, really standing out and making a difference, the best probably has to go to FDR. In terms of having a vision and making it come true, and that vision being such a game changer and transforming this nation into its modern shape and doing so much good for so many Americans... it's hard to top FDR. Of course, one person having that much power is somewhat contrary to the vision of divided power in this country, so there's definitely a double edge to that sword.

    Johnson should get more credit than he does for his strong support for civil rights. Carter should get more credit than he does for his anti war stances. And I'm personally a fan of Jackson and his populism and stances against the financial elite. Taft likewise should get more credit for his opposition to the financial elite. He did more trust busting than Teddy.

    I'm honestly baffled at why people like Kennedy so much. What did he do that was so worthy of admiration? I know people liked him because of his youth and charisma, but the only actual things I know of that he did were getting us into Vietnam and not starting a war over the Cuban Missile Crisis. The latter is good, but hardly cause for all the praise he gets. Oh, and he was really really unfaithful to his wife.
    I rarely agree politically with you but I agree with much of this post.

    The only major disagreement I have is with FDR. What he did to the Americans of Japanese descent is as shameful as any other act ever committed by a President.

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