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Thread: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Yeah, I've done both. The MD is the harder feat. Sorry. If the PhD were held in higher esteem this discussion wouldn't occur.
    That's a beautiful and subjective point you just made. However your going to have to excuse the Doctors of Quantum Physics for laughing in your face.




    It should be about the patient in a hospital setting.
    Right and a Clinical doctor properly introducing themselves as a doctor of whatever field they are a doctor of has every right to do so. It harms no one.


    So it's a pride issue if it's simply about you and not the patient.
    Again you try to make this personal. It's truly hilarious, because I don't even have an associates degree in any field.


    Yes. It is legally required. 'Mr.' is for surgeons.
    There is no law, in this country at least, that requires Physicians to introduce themselves as doctor. Many doctors don't.
    Last edited by Zinthaniel; 06-25-14 at 08:11 PM.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I have no doctrates. It's just a discussion that I find interesting. As far settings go, obviously context matters - and therefore being a smartass when someone is clearly looking for a medical doctor is juvenile.
    I think that, while advanced education is wonderful, titles are ridiculous but feel free to argue the subject further.
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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    As a holder of a non-MD but having a professional doctorate in Pharmacy, it's clear that there is a time and a place to use the word 'Doctor' sad a title, and there are even more times and places to not use it.

    Hospitals are one- unless you clarify that you are NOT a physician.
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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Hospitals are one- unless you clarify that you are NOT a physician.
    I've included this point in my response to Ben. A NP has the right to introduce themself as a Doctor, if they so choose, but ofcourse they must clarify what they are a doctor of. The same applies to any other field in the clinical setting. Pyschologist... etc
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I've included this point in my response to Ben. A NP has the right to introduce themself as a Doctor, if they so choose, but ofcourse they must clarify what they are a doctor of. The same applies to any other field in the clinical setting. Pyschologist... etc
    But I will say... in reality, its generally not worth it. Patients often dont hear it, they get confused, and calling yourself doctor really just tends to confuse things. In my experience, the people who do that are either totally insecure about their role or arrogant egotists.

    And with a PhD, that gets even more confusing in the health care setting. The best advice (and the one that I've given to students for decades) is just dont bother with the title unless its a professional function. Students call me doctor, which is fine, and colleagues at formal conferences certainly do the same, or in introductions, but realistically, the only people who use the title in everyday use are boors. By everyday use, I mean introducing yourself as "Dr. and Mrs" to a neighbor, or at a social event, etc. And almost no PhDs outside of a health care field would EVER use the title doctor unless it was in a professional capacity.
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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    But I will say... in reality, its generally not worth it. Patients often dont hear it, they get confused, and calling yourself doctor really just tends to confuse things. In my experience, the people who do that are either totally insecure about their role or arrogant egotists.

    And with a PhD, that gets even more confusing in the health care setting. The best advice (and the one that I've given to students for decades) is just dont bother with the title unless its a professional function. Students call me doctor, which is fine, and colleagues at formal conferences certainly do the same, or in introductions, but realistically, the only people who use the title in everyday use are boors. By everyday use, I mean introducing yourself as "Dr. and Mrs" to a neighbor, or at a social event, etc. And almost no PhDs outside of a health care field would EVER use the title doctor unless it was in a professional capacity.
    I definitely understand the point you are making. And I really have no stake in it anyway since I have no degree, yet, even at the losest level. What sparked this op for me was reading the thread that I linked to in the op which is a nursing forum. Some nurses who have earned their Doctoral degree would like to indentify as the title they earned and there are some nurses who agree that it is pointless and confusing.

    I just wanted to get the general publics opinion to see if they felt the same way.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Cos you're a specialist in a particular field of academia? Y'know, you're good at something and want to contribute further.
    Gees, it was just a joke.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    No, this has nothing to do with Obamacare so retract your claws.

    I have for a very long time, as have many others, referred to physicians as "Doctors". However, as a college student who is now more aware of degree and the titles that come with them - I now know that a Doctor isn't necessarily a "Doctor" and a "Doctor" is not always, technically, a Doctor.

    So here is a thread on a nursing site regarding their right as a nurse to refer to themselves as a Doctor if they have earned, through rigurous study and invested time, a doctrates in Nursing Practice ( A degree that allows them to act in some capacities as a physician)

    Can you be called "Doctor" with a PhD in Nursing? - pg.5 | allnurses

    An articulate quote from one Dr. Nurse -



    Now this is a MD forum discussing the same topic. Skim through it if you like but the overall sentiments there are - "No only we physicians get to be called 'Doctors'"
    Doctor of Nursing Practice? | Student Doctor Network

    Now the title Ph.D predates the academic established field of Medical Practice. Being a Doctor of any field and referring to yourself as a Doctor was thing before physicians stepped into town. From what I can gather physicians in America, since outside of the US physicians are often referred to as just that physicians, started referring to themselves as Doctors to gain more repsect for a field of study that at the time wasn't being as respected as it should be.

    Though physicians are skilled, vital, and educated people - I don't believe they have the right to monopolize the title Doctor, especially when many physicians do not have a Doctrates in the first place. Granted as language has evolved the word Doctor now includes physician as a definiton, but I don't believe that addition in meaning should trump the original and still applicable meaning of -



    In a nutshell if you have a Doctrates in Economy - You are a doctor.
    If you have a doctrates in English Literature - You are a doctor. And you have every right to refer to yourself by your earned titled.
    On the job, they have the right to use their title if the organization allows them to do so. In a hospital setting, it would absolutely be misleading for RN Susan Smith, PhD to be introduce as Dr. Smith. Even though hospitals have uniforms that designate their rank, the general public isn't aware of those. I don't think a nurse should be able to call herself Dr. Smith in a medical setting.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    If a person is having a heart attack and someone asks "is there a doctor in here" can you say that "yeah I am a doctor" if you have a pHD in chicano studies?
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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    No, this has nothing to do with Obamacare so retract your claws.

    I have for a very long time, as have many others, referred to physicians as "Doctors". However, as a college student who is now more aware of degree and the titles that come with them - I now know that a Doctor isn't necessarily a "Doctor" and a "Doctor" is not always, technically, a Doctor.

    So here is a thread on a nursing site regarding their right as a nurse to refer to themselves as a Doctor if they have earned, through rigurous study and invested time, a doctrates in Nursing Practice ( A degree that allows them to act in some capacities as a physician)

    Can you be called "Doctor" with a PhD in Nursing? - pg.5 | allnurses

    An articulate quote from one Dr. Nurse -



    Now this is a MD forum discussing the same topic. Skim through it if you like but the overall sentiments there are - "No only we physicians get to be called 'Doctors'"
    Doctor of Nursing Practice? | Student Doctor Network

    Now the title Ph.D predates the academic established field of Medical Practice. Being a Doctor of any field and referring to yourself as a Doctor was thing before physicians stepped into town. From what I can gather physicians in America, since outside of the US physicians are often referred to as just that physicians, started referring to themselves as Doctors to gain more repsect for a field of study that at the time wasn't being as respected as it should be.

    Though physicians are skilled, vital, and educated people - I don't believe they have the right to monopolize the title Doctor, especially when many physicians do not have a Doctrates in the first place. Granted as language has evolved the word Doctor now includes physician as a definiton, but I don't believe that addition in meaning should trump the original and still applicable meaning of -



    In a nutshell if you have a Doctrates in Economy - You are a doctor.
    If you have a doctrates in English Literature - You are a doctor. And you have every right to refer to yourself by your earned titled.
    Im a PA (Physician Assistant) working on my doctorate in medicine. Once I earn that (2 years left) I will have a doctorate in medicine. I will not be an MD and in the Clinical setting I will not be called Doctor. We wear the same white coat and are indistinguishable to most patients-but the assumption from patients is that doctor=md.

    This actually isn't a big issue, but I find many people haven't considered the situation so when it comes up they scratch their heads.

    In any non-clinical setting, doctor is appropriate.

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