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Thread: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    No, this has nothing to do with Obamacare so retract your claws.

    I have for a very long time, as have many others, referred to physicians as "Doctors". However, as a college student who is now more aware of degree and the titles that come with them - I now know that a Doctor isn't necessarily a "Doctor" and a "Doctor" is not always, technically, a Doctor.

    So here is a thread on a nursing site regarding their right as a nurse to refer to themselves as a Doctor if they have earned, through rigurous study and invested time, a doctrates in Nursing Practice ( A degree that allows them to act in some capacities as a physician)

    Can you be called "Doctor" with a PhD in Nursing? - pg.5 | allnurses

    An articulate quote from one Dr. Nurse -



    Now this is a MD forum discussing the same topic. Skim through it if you like but the overall sentiments there are - "No only we physicians get to be called 'Doctors'"
    Doctor of Nursing Practice? | Student Doctor Network

    Now the title Ph.D predates the academic established field of Medical Practice. Being a Doctor of any field and referring to yourself as a Doctor was thing before physicians stepped into town. From what I can gather physicians in America, since outside of the US physicians are often referred to as just that physicians, started referring to themselves as Doctors to gain more repsect for a field of study that at the time wasn't being as respected as it should be.

    Though physicians are skilled, vital, and educated people - I don't believe they have the right to monopolize the title Doctor, especially when many physicians do not have a Doctrates in the first place. Granted as language has evolved the word Doctor now includes physician as a definiton, but I don't believe that addition in meaning should trump the original and still applicable meaning of -



    In a nutshell if you have a Doctrates in Economy - You are a doctor.
    If you have a doctrates in English Literature - You are a doctor. And you have every right to refer to yourself by your earned titled.
    Anyone who has a doctorate may use the title if they work in academia. Lawyers have doctorates, but they generally don't use that title, as it would be misleading, and therefore, unethical. There is no reason a nurse who has a doctorate should not be called 'doctor' but she should let her patients know she is a nurse.
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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Why else would you get a doctorate other than to be called doctor?

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    It's more likely that your feeling are hurt since you are only one trying to make this personal.
    Personal? You're banging on about how PhD's work harder than medical doctors.

    The setting doesn't matter. Obviously a doctor in a clincal field of study, but who is not a physician, has the obligation to clarify what they are a doctor of before proceeding, but that individual still has every right to introduce themselves as a doctor. Communication is key - placating mass ignorance is idiotic.
    Okay. So how has that aided the patient in any way? Do you think it made them feel better or you feel better? Do you think medical doctors use the title in that setting because of personal gratification or because it's required?

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Why else would you get a doctorate other than to be called doctor?
    Cos you're a specialist in a particular field of academia? Y'know, you're good at something and want to contribute further.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Why else would you get a doctorate other than to be called doctor?
    That's what I'm saying.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    That's what I'm saying.
    So you wanted the doctorate to be referred to with a title?

    Really?

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Personal? You're banging on about how PhD's work harder than medical doctors.
    Some, if not many, do. There's a difference in Ph.D and MD. The Ph.D being the larger of the two degrees. A Physician with a doctrates is held at a higher esteem than a Physician with only an MD. To earn a Ph.D you literally have to take the established knowledge in your field of study and add something new to it - your disseration. That's no easy feat.



    Okay. So how has that aided the patient in any way?
    It's not about whether it aids the patient - there are many formalities, even in the hospital setting, that serve no purpose other than to be proper. What it's about is respecting people's earned title.

    Do you think it made them feel better or you feel better?
    Don't know. Don't care. It's matter of correctly referring to someone by what they are. If they are a doctor, then they are a doctor.

    Do you think medical doctors use the title in that setting because of personal gratification or because it's required?
    It's not required. Many doctors introduce themselves simply by Mr. and the their name. A doctor does not have to refer to their self as doctor.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    I chose it depends on the setting. If someone asks "Is there a doctor in the crowd?" they are not likely seeking (or expecting) an expert in French literature to step forward and help them. On the other hand, if your bank teller addresses you as Mr.Zinthaniel then feel free to correct (impress?) them with your super-cool title.
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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I chose it depends on the setting. If someone asks "Is there a doctor in the crowd?" they are not likely seeking (or expecting) an expert in French literature to step forward and help them. On the other hand, if your bank teller addresses you as Mr.Zinthaniel then feel free to correct (impress?) them with your super-cool title.
    I have no doctrates. It's just a discussion that I find interesting. As far settings go, obviously context matters - and therefore being a smartass when someone is clearly looking for a medical doctor is juvenile.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Can we talk Doctors? A Discussion on the Academic Title

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Some, if not many, do. There's a difference in Ph.D and MD. The Ph.D being the larger of the two degrees. A Physician with a doctrates is held at a higher esteem than a Physician with only an MD. To earn a Ph.D you literally have to take the established knowledge in your field of study and add something new to it - your disseration. That's no easy feat.
    Yeah, I've done both. The MD is the harder feat. Sorry. If the PhD were held in higher esteem this discussion wouldn't occur.


    It's not about whether it aids the patient - there are many formalities, even in the hospital setting, that serve no purpose other than to be proper. What it's about is respecting people's earned title.
    It should be about the patient in a hospital setting.

    Don't know. Don't care. It's matter of correctly referring to someone by what they are. If they are a doctor, then they are a doctor.
    So it's a pride issue if it's simply about you and not the patient.
    It's not required. Many doctors introduce themselves simply by Mr. and the their name. A doctor does not have to refer to their self as doctor.
    Yes. It is legally required. 'Mr.' is for surgeons.

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