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Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 18 46.2%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Total voters
    39
Amadeus said:
I said:

No, Gardener said that even more Muslims than 25% were in favour of killing people who leave the Muslim faith. So I bumped it up to 30%. My mistake?

Brigitte Gabriel said that 25% of Muslims (including Americans) are radicals. If you make a blanket statement against Muslims like that, you have to be prepared to support it. Is it 25% of Muslims, or non-American Muslims?

Edit: Keep in mind that I generally don't respond to nonsense. If I short quote you, it's because you're getting off-topic or you're speaking nonsense.
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How DISHONEST or OBTUSE again.
DUH!
"25% of Muslims" OBVIOUSLY doesn't mean EXACTLY 25% in Each and Every Country.
DUH!
It could be only 2% (or 100%) of the relatively TINY amount Muslims in the USA/EU, and still NOT change the OVERALL number of 25% significantly.
DUH!

EDIT:
One realizes from the above and below, debate is not just difficult, but Impossible with someone who Cannot Grasp simple concepts, or who Dishonestly Alters the material..
as he Dishonestly Truncates his opponents replies.
And with that, I'll leave Amadeus embarrassed, as he should be by this exchange, as it stands.

EDIT 2. This Topic was NOT/NEVER just about America.
Another DISHONEST Amadeus deflection. Same one he tried a few pages ago.
Gabriel specifically talked Muslims WORLDWIDE in the OP youtube and any subsequent references.
 
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mbig said:
How DISHONEST or OBTUSE again.
DUH!
"25% of Muslims" OBVIOUSLY doesn't mean EXACTLY 25% in Each and Every Country.
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So what does it mean, and how is radical Islam a problem in AMERICA if the 25% doesn't apply to AMERICA?

DUH!
 
Gardener said:
I posted a link to a reputable pew research report on Muslim attitudes.

If you are capable of any honesty whatsoever, you will take a look at these attitudes with a critical eye. If you are incapable of honesty, then by all means feel free to just continue with the program.
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Define 'attitude.'
 
mbig said:
Amadeus' post really was Spectacularly Dishonest.
I saw the trickery, but the reply was your lay-up.
As I've been saying throughout, He cannot debate his Lost positions, so moves the goal posts.
Woah!
All of a sudden [All] "Muslims" became Only the less than 2% who live in and are governed by Western govt's and in which they are a tiny minority.
Beneath Contempt.



Yes Gardener, he really went off the deep end again.
Which is worse, the first portion quoted, or the second?



Amadeus' posts are about the Worst I've ever seen, both in terms of knowledge (lack) and Dishonesty

Consistently, In his new reply to your post, he's turned turned the "15%-25%" Premise into "30%"!! and blamed YOU for HIS Dishonest limitation of Muslims to Just ones under Western govts alone. Not the universe of all musloim that WAS the topic until his disingenuous sneaking/limitation.

No. The Premise is 15%-25% of all Muslims.
Trying for 30% now?
Why not go for the complete Strawman "100%"?
How Baldy DISHONEST again!


What do you think?
30% of all Young Black Males in the USA have been in the Penal system.
Are they any more suspected?

15-25% of Muslims [Worldwide] are "Radical" (I believe and Polls Already Posted here show MOST are Literal/Fundamental, if not the loaded word 'Radical') and want Sharia Law, etc.

And
1. You STILL Can't answer my post/MY point despite THREE Postings.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...-against-radical-islam-14.html#post1063452132
Nah, Not going away.

2. Amadeus' Signature is Blindingly Ignorant/Hypocritical!
He cites Hitchens on Falwell.
Falwell who is no more Pious/"Radical" than 2/3+ of Muslims!

Hitchens is a Huge Critic of not just Religion, but Islam In Particular!
Yes, liberal and PC hypocrites love to Bash Falwell/Roberston et al, but are so blindly Partisan the don't realize that MOST Muslims are as Literal/Fundamental/Radical or MORE than either preacher.

Oh Yeah Use Hitchens!
DOH!
ie
Facing the Islamist Menace
Christopher Hitchens
Mark Steyn’s new book is a Welcome Wake-up call.
Facing the Islamist Menace by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Winter 2007

Londonistan
Christopher Hitchens
Londonistan Calling | Vanity Fair

IOW, Amadeus' Sig is H!tchens, who would AGREE with the Prem!se at hand and, as me, an even Larger claim..
DOH!
What an IGNORANT disaster Amadeus' posts are!
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What do you make of liberals in general and athiests in particular being such rabid defenders of islam? I really can't decide what to make of it. The only thing I can think of is that they have likely heard enough Christian preaching to make them very uncomfortable with their own behaviors, but have yet to be personally looking down the business end of a muslim bayonet.
 
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Amadeus said:
So what does it mean, and how is radical Islam a problem in AMERICA if the 25% doesn't apply to AMERICA?

DUH!
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After reading just one page I can grasp pretty much what's going on. Do you have an inability to understand simple logic ?

Paul
 
Amadeus said:
What's your point? You seem to be under the allusion that I'm a defender of Islam. I'm an atheist. If you want my opinion of Islam, lets head on over to the religion forum. If you want my opinion of Brigitte Gabriel, I guess we're in the right place.

Honest criticism of religion? I'm all for it. That doesn't change who Brigitte Gabriel is.
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illusion not allusion
 
gunner said:
After reading just one page I can grasp pretty much what's going on. Do you have an inability to understand simple logic ?
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Then I guess you don't mind answering the question. How is radical Islam a problem in America? Should Muslims be looked upon with suspicion in general?
 
Amadeus said:
How do you know any Muslim is moderate if you subscribe to the theory that up to 25% are radicalised?
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How do you know there are any moderate muslims, considering that there was a time when the 9-11 hijackers had never committed a crime? And given that you really don't know what the flow of money is between them.

I have taken the lower number which was proffered in this very thread 7% and done the math. 7% of 1 billion muslims is 10,000,000, more than the population of our larges city. I don't know how many are radicals any more than you do. There is no way to know which ones who stay out of the limelight are bankrolling the ones who go out and kill. It is all estimates. It doesn't really matter if the actual number or 7% or 30%. Any way you cut it that is one HELL of a lot of people who want to destroy western civilization. They have already done considerable damage in this country, yet all you seem able to do is draw some kind of false moral equivalency between Christians who fought and worked to build the US with radical islam which is intent on destroying the US. There is no moral equivalent of radical islam.

And FWIW, have you posted YOUR percentage estimate of radical muslims?
 
Maenad said:
How do you know there are any moderate muslims, considering that there was a time when the 9-11 hijackers had never committed a crime?

I have taken the lower number which was proffered in this very thread 7% and done the math. 7% of 1 billion muslims is 10,000,000, more than the population of our larges city. I don't know how many are radicals any more than you do. There is no way to know which ones who stay out of the limelight are bankrolling the ones who go out and kill. It is all estimates. It doesn't really matter if the actual number or 7% or 30%. Any way you cut it that is one HELL of a lot of people who want to destroy western civilization. They have already done considerable damage in this country, yet all you seem able to do is draw some kind of false moral equivalency between Christians who fought and worked to build the US with radical islam which is intent on destroying the US. There is no moral equivalent of radical islam.
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So what do you suggest be done with Muslims?
 
Maenad said:
Which ones are the 'moderate' ones?
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You can't tell. You've subscribed to the theory that 25% are essentially evil and want to destroy you.

You've given yourself no out, and you have no solutions. All you have is your hate.
 
Amadeus said:
You can't tell. You've subscribed to the theory that 25% are essentially evil and want to destroy you.

You've given yourself no out, and you have no solutions. All you have is your hate.
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Where have I said that? Link please. Post the link of shut the **** up about what I think. Which you can't possibly know.
 
Maenad said:
Where have I said that? Link please. Post the link of shut the **** up about what I think. Which you can't possibly know.
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You support what Brigitte Gabriel says. You said that you like her so much you wish she was running for president. If you support her platform, then that's her platform.
 
Amadeus said:
Then I guess you don't mind answering the question. How is radical Islam a problem in America? ?
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Well,for starters, the woman you trotted out as some sort of example of a "moderate" Muslim just happens to be friends with Mohamed Osman Mohamud.Now,I realize you are as ignorant of this gentleman as you are of absolutely everything else to do with the subject, but he is that nice fellow who tried to set off a car bomb in Portland in Pioneer Square.She is on record as indicating there is no moral difference between a terrorist and a soldier.

This is a Muslim you have defined as "moderate".

Now,since my very own son was working nearby at the time the bomb would have gone off,then by your definition, a moderate Muslim is one who sees no moral difference between the man trying to kill my son and a soldier, and is actually FRIENDS with such a man.

If your definition of a moderate Mulsim is the friend of the man trying to kill my son and who sees no difference beteen that and a soldier doing his duty, one can only imagine what you think is radical. Would it have to involve trying to kill my other son, too?
 
Maenad said:
What do you make of liberals in genera and athiests in particular being such rabid defenders of islam? I really can't decide what to make of it. The only think I can think of is that they have likely heard enough Christian preaching to make them very uncomfortable with their own behaviors, but have yet to be personally looking down the business end of a muslim bayonet.
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The liberal/Left defense is a knee-jerk response of anti-colonialism and of [perceived] 'non-white' people.

Two quotes from Shelby Steele (Black Conservative)

"Political correctness is an outgrowth of White Guilt. It’s a way for guilty-feeling whites to Constantly Indicate that they’re not racist, not colonialists, not imperialists, not warmongers, and so on."

"White guilt, which I think Defines Liberalism, is a response to the stigma that white Americans bear for practicing racism for four centuries. Whites live with this constant pressure of having to demonstrate to the world that they’re not bigots, and this manifests itself in many facets of American life."​

Others on the liberal/Left just Hate America/The West and will defend Iran (and/or multiculti), etc even though there is Nothing less liberal than Islamism.

As to Atheists defending Islam?
I AM an Atheist, and unlike most of my fellow Atheists who are liberals and Incurable PCers, I have big issues with Islam.
I make anti-Religion posts, mostly against Christian Creationists, in the Philosophy section every Week sometimes daily.
But if one is an honest or informed atheist, one would have his greatest problem with Islam, the Most Pious, Intolerant, and VIOLENT of all the major religions... in a Landslide.
It is NOT comparable in any way to the others.
Islam is a Religio-Political system with a majority of literalist followers, and literal TO a dangerous scripture/ideology.
Not true of the other two.

As I pointed out earlier, witness Amadeus signature from [atheist] Hitchens bashing Falwell!
Hitchens TOO realizes Islam is a much bigger problem but isn't so much burdened by PC.
It was a PERFECT and Unwitting/Ironic example of the Western Mindset: Bashing Falwell/Robertson is OK, but it's Not OK to Bash the 2/3+ of Muslims who are just as Pious/literal/fundamental.. and the latter to a dangerous scripture.
 
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Amadeus said:
You support what Brigitte Gabriel says. You said that you like her so much you wish she was running for president. If you support her platform, then that's her platform.
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Yes, I support her statement that the peaceful ones in all periods of history where the minority has massacred thousands of people are irrelevant because she is absolutely correct. The do nothing to stop the killing. It doesn't matter WHAT that minority is, nazis, radical muslims, Chinese, etc. etc. etc. They are the ones who are doing the killing. And the peaceful ones do nothing.

For your information and hopefully your edification, NO ONE knows how many radical muslims there are. NO ONE. Not YOU or anyone else. And unless you personally have access to the checkbook of every last one you don't have any clue who is bankrolling the radicals. You are a liar and a dishonest hack who repeatedly claims that people say things they have not said.
 
mbig said:
The liberal/Left defense is a knee-jerk response of anti-colonialism and of [perceived] 'non-white' people.

Two quotes from Shelby Steele (Black Conservative)

"Political correctness is an outgrowth of White Guilt. It’s a way for guilty-feeling whites to Constantly Indicate that they’re not racist, not colonialists, not imperialists, not warmongers, and so on."

"White guilt, which I think Defines Liberalism, is a response to the stigma that white Americans bear for practicing racism for four centuries. Whites live with this constant pressure of having to demonstrate to the world that they’re not bigots, and this manifests itself in many facets of American life."​

Others on the liberal/Left just Hate America/The West and will defend Iran (and/or multiculti), etc even though there is Nothing less liberal than Islamism.

As to Atheists defending Islam?
I AM an Atheist, and unlike most of my fellow Atheists who are liberals and Incurable PCers, I have big issues with Islam.
I make anti-Religion posts, mostly against Christian Creationists, in the Philosophy section every Week sometimes daily.
But if one was an an honest or informed atheist, one would have his greatest problem with Islam, the Most Pious, Intolerant, and VIOLENT of all the major religions... in a Landslide.
It is NOT comparable in any way to the others.
Islam is a Religio-Political system with a majority of literalist followers, and literal TO a dangerous scripture/ideology.
Not true of the other two.

As I pointed out earlier, witness Amadeus signature from [atheist] Hitchens bashing Falwell!
Hitchens TOO realizes Islam is a much bigger problem but isn't so much burdened by PC.
It was a PERFECT and Unwitting/Ironic example of the Western Mindset: Bashing Falwell/Robertson is OK, but it's Not OK to Bash the 2/3+ of Muslims who are just as Pious/literal/fundamental.. But to a dangerous scripture.
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Thank you for your honesty.

I think by the time those knee jerk liberals realize what they have defended so vigorously, it will be much too late for them to make corrections in their submissions.
 
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