Amadeus said:
I'm not impressed by this argument. If 15-25% of North American and European Muslims believe in killing people who leave Islam, why isn't there an epidemic of such incidents?
Gardener said:
Because of our western laws. Your defense of totalitarianism is the antithesis of liberalism,and your attempt to limit the discussion to "north american and European"Muslims which make up such a tiny percentage of Muslims is such a snivelling and pathetic attempt at subterfuge, you appear more like Poe saying intentionally stupid things in order to reflect poorly on liberals than anything else.
Amadeus' post really was Spectacularly Dishonest.
I saw the trickery, but the reply was your lay-up.
As I've been saying throughout, He cannot debate his Lost positions, so moves the goal posts.
Woah!
All of a sudden [All] "Muslims" became Only the less than 2% who live in and are governed by Western govt's and in which they are a tiny minority.
Beneath Contempt.
Amadeus said:
Islam doesn't really preach anything that Judaism doesn't.
Gardener said:
How utterly idiotic. . Judaism has no concept similar to Jihad and did not spread by the sword. It does not seek converts, nor is it based upon one, single prophet. Just because you are completely ignorant, you should not presume others are.
Yes Gardener, he really went off the deep end again.
Which is worse, the first portion quoted, or the second?
Amadeus said:
If it's not a religious problem (see Judaism), and it's not a racial problem (right?), then it's a societal problem. And if you're saying that 15-25% of Muslims are extremist radicals who believe in killing infidels, then what you're really saying is that ALL MUSLIMS be looked at with suspicion. In effect, Islam is not welcome in America.
Gardener said:
Why you keep trying to turn the discussion in to one of Jews is anybody's guess ,but it is quite apparent that you just rattle off any stray thought that enters your head instead of thinking. Your dishonesty here is simply too much to give you any credibility at all.
Amadeus' posts are about the Worst I've ever seen, both in terms of knowledge (lack) and Dishonesty
Consistently, In his new reply to your post,
he's turned turned the "15%-25%" Premise into "30%"!! and blamed YOU for HIS Dishonest limitation of Muslims to Just ones under Western govts alone. Not the universe of all musloim that WAS the topic until his disingenuous sneaking/limitation.
Amadeus said:
... You said that OVER 30% of Muslims are radicalised. You didn't specify that it was location-dependent, you just made a blanket statement about Muslims.
No. The Premise is 15%-25% of all Muslims.
Trying for 30% now?
Why not go for the complete Strawman "100%"?
How Baldy
DISHONEST again!
Amadeus to Gardener said:
You didn't address my point. Do you think that Muslims in America should be looked at with suspicion?
What do you think?
30% of all Young Black Males in the USA have been in the Penal system.
Are they any more suspected?
15-25% of Muslims [Worldwide] are "Radical" (I believe and
Polls Already Posted here show MOST are Literal/Fundamental, if not the loaded word 'Radical') and want Sharia Law, etc.
And
1.
You STILL Can't answer my post/MY point despite THREE Postings.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...-against-radical-islam-14.html#post1063452132
Nah, Not going away.
2.
Amadeus' Signature is Blindingly Ignorant/Hypocritical!
He cites Hitchens on Falwell.
Falwell who is no more Pious/"Radical" than 2/3+ of Muslims!
Hitchens is a Huge Critic of not just Religion, but Islam In Particular!
Yes, liberal and PC hypocrites love to Bash Falwell/Roberston et al, but are so blindly Partisan the don't realize that MOST Muslims are as Literal/Fundamental/Radical or MORE than either preacher.
Oh Yeah Use Hitchens!
DOH!
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Facing the Islamist Menace
Christopher Hitchens
Mark Steyn’s new book is a Welcome Wake-up call.
Facing the Islamist Menace by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Winter 2007
Londonistan
Christopher Hitchens
Londonistan Calling | Vanity Fair
IOW, Amadeus' Sig is H!tchens, who would AGREE with the Prem!se at hand and, as me, an even Larger claim..
DOH!
What an IGNORANT disaster Amadeus' posts are!