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Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 18 46.2%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Total voters
    39
SocialDemocrat said:
I already did. Again, read the results of this poll:
Muslim Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups | Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project



"Do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of Al Qaeda?" Again, read the poll that I have already posted. And again, she didn't cite any polls. She pulled the number out of thin air, and I welcome you to try to find a source that backs her up, but, and I cannot emphasize this any more, as we have been stuck on this point for far too long, she did not cite any polls.



Read the first part of my post. There is no poll to compare to, because she didn't cite one. And furthermore, I'm not a liberal. Other ideologies than liberalism reject islamophobia.



Bad anecdote is bad. Move on.
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She does make citations in her books and publications. Whats fascinating is you accuse her of lying or being islamophobic (she was only shot at, burned, and had bombs go off putting her and her family in the hospital-why would she be afraid? :roll:) while admitting you dont know what data she used. Even worse to your argument-the data generally backs her up.

Progressive is just the name liberals use after mucking up the name liberal. And the joke was spot on. You guys are slaves to PC.
 
US Conservative said:
She does make citations in her books and publications.
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So prove it. Show me a poll cited by her that says 25% of Muslims are radical terrorist sympathizers.

Whats fascinating is you accuse her of lying or being islamophobic (she was only shot at, burned, and had bombs go off putting her and her family in the hospital-why would she be afraid? :roll:) while admitting you dont know what data she used.
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I already said this in an earlier post, but the religion of someone who commits a crime is totally irrelevant. If someone who shoots a gun at me, or robs my house, happens to subscribe to Christianity, I don't care what their religion is. But for some reason, when any Muslim commits a crime, it's terrorism, and when anyone else commits a crime it's totally acceptable every day life.

And furthermore, me saying I don't know what data she used is not incompetence on my part. She did not provide a source, and unless you show me a poll showing 25% of Muslims supporting Al Qaeda or identifying as radicals, I'll assume you don't know which source she used either.

Even worse to your argument-the data generally backs her up.
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25%=/=7-13%.

Progressive is just the name liberals use after mucking up the name liberal. And the joke was spot on. You guys are slaves to PC.
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I really need to change that. Progressive isn't normally what I use to describe myself either. It was just the least objectionable of the choices.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
So prove it. Show me a poll cited by her that says 25% of Muslims are radical terrorist sympathizers.



I already said this in an earlier post, but the religion of someone who commits a crime is totally irrelevant. If someone who shoots a gun at me, or robs my house, happens to subscribe to Christianity, I don't care what their religion is. But for some reason, when any Muslim commits a crime, it's terrorism, and when anyone else commits a crime it's totally acceptable every day life.

And furthermore, me saying I don't know what data she used is not incompetence on my part. She did not provide a source, and unless you show me a poll showing 25% of Muslims supporting Al Qaeda or identifying as radicals, I'll assume you don't know which source she used either.



25%=/=7-13%.



I really need to change that. Progressive isn't normally what I use to describe myself either. It was just the least objectionable of the choices.
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Look man, you aren't going to turn things around on me. The numbers are horrible-what so many muslims believe is horrible.
We have no frame of reference to what these people believe in the west.

She was right, and the reflexive attempts by lefties to distract from the heart of the matter aren't going to happen.
 
US Conservative said:
Look man, you aren't going to turn things around on me.
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Asking you for proof is turning things around? If your argument can't be backed up by facts than you have no argument.

The numbers are horrible-what so many muslims believe is horrible.
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Proof?

We have no frame of reference to what these people believe in the west.
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Oh, we know that many Americans would love a war in the name of "Judeo-Christian values." Just look at everyone who supports Israel over Palestine.

She was right, and the reflexive attempts by lefties to distract from the heart of the matter aren't going to happen.
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Asking for proof is not "distracting from the heart of the matter." It is the heart of the matter. If she has no proof to back up her argument, there is no argument. Just because the Heritage Foundation put her on a panel and you like what she says does not validate her argument. If she cites all of her claims in her books, show me one, since you seem to be such an avid follower of this woman. If not, look up "how many Muslims are radicals," or however you want to phrase it, on Google. Find something that proves your point and doesn't come from a random blog, and I'll take you seriously. I don't know how I can make it any easier for you, but you have to do more than claim that my source is invalid and not supply one of your own.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
Asking you for proof is turning things around? If your argument can't be backed up by facts than you have no argument.



Proof?



Oh, we know that many Americans would love a war in the name of "Judeo-Christian values." Just look at everyone who supports Israel over Palestine.



Asking for proof is not "distracting from the heart of the matter." It is the heart of the matter. If she has no proof to back up her argument, there is no argument. Just because the Heritage Foundation put her on a panel and you like what she says does not validate her argument. If she cites all of her claims in her books, show me one, since you seem to be such an avid follower of this woman. If not, look up "how many Muslims are radicals," or however you want to phrase it, on Google. Find something that proves your point and doesn't come from a random blog, and I'll take you seriously. I don't know how I can make it any easier for you, but you have to do more than claim that my source is invalid and not supply one of your own.
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Like I said, we aren't going to go around and around. Ive posted hard figures, and Ive posted this womans words.

Factually, multiple sources will give similar numbers-and they are all bad.
 
US Conservative said:
Like I said, we aren't going to go around and around. Ive posted hard figures, and Ive posted this womans words.

Factually, multiple sources will give similar numbers-and they are all bad.
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Is it really that hard to post a link? And I'll say it again, the source I provided showed 13% that have a favorable opinion of Al Qaeda, only a small percentage of which are terrorists themselves. This is far from what the lady in the video stated. And as I have said multiple times, with no response, someone's religion when they commit a crime is not relevant.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
Is it really that hard to post a link? And I'll say it again, the source I provided showed 13% that have a favorable opinion of Al Qaeda, only a small percentage of which are terrorists themselves. This is far from what the lady in the video stated.
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You also stated you dont have her sources or numbers, so are we really surprised?

SocialDemocrat said:
And as I have said multiple times, with no response, someone's religion when they commit a crime is not relevant.
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It is when those crimes are carried out in the name of a religion. We can't say its an isolated case either, can we? Heres where you read your script about all religions having nuts...
 
mbig said:
You know NOTHING about Islam and unlike me, you are non-conversant.
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I know enough about Islam. And I don't converse with people like you, who are beyond conversing with. Anyone who buys into Brigitte Gabriel's tripe is a FOOL.
 
CalGun said:
I see Christians condemn violent / extreme "Christians" all of the time - Westburo comes to mind and they weren't even violent but certainly condemned by those who followed most Christian tenants.

The world needs to demand the moderate Muslim squash their extremist before we end up in a world war over their religion.
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We don't have many Muslim members on DP, but those we have are almost 100% damning in their condemnation of Islamist extremists. I've never met a moderate Muslim who didn't.
 
Ive heard 10% but either way it works out to be alot of Muslims that are sympathetic to the radicals inside the faith. But silence is agreement and until these "silent" muslims step up and condemn these radicals they are condoning their actions by their silence.
 
Amadeus said:
I know enough about Islam. And I don't converse with people like you, who are beyond conversing with. Anyone who buys into Brigitte Gabriel's tripe is a FOOL.
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Such a bizarre relationship this one between the radical Islamist and the progressive. The only thing they have in common is a mutual hate of the US and Israel. But the fatal mistake of the progressive is not realizing the radical islamist in the end wants him exterminated also.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Ive heard 10% but either way it works out to be alot of Muslims that are sympathetic to the radicals inside the faith. But silence is agreement and until these "silent" muslims step up and condemn these radicals they are condoning their actions by their silence.
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Since that works out to about 160 million...yes that's quite a few. Trouble being the Muslim who are outspoken against the radicals tend to end up dead.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Such a bizarre relationship this one between the radical Islamist and the progressive. The only thing they have in common is a mutual hate of the US and Israel. But the fatal mistake of the progressive is not realizing the radical islamist in the end wants him exterminated also.
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Yeah, but 25% of Muslims are not radical. I've never met a radical Muslim. I've met plenty of Muslims who were nothing but sweet and pleasant.

Brigitte is a fear-monger. She wants ALL Muslims to be put under suspicion. She wants the religion excised from America, which actually un-American.
 
Deuce said:
Haven't seen any Christians stepping up to stop radical Christians from furthering persecution of homosexuals in Uganda.
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How many homosexuals have been mass murdered in Uganda? THAT'S irrelevant.
 
Amadeus said:
Yeah, but 25% of Muslims are not radical. I've never met a radical Muslim. I've met plenty of Muslims who were nothing but sweet and pleasant.

Brigitte is a fear-monger. She wants ALL Muslims to be put under suspicion. She wants the religion excised from America, which actually un-American.
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I don't see that at all.

She wants the weak to stand up, point out and rebuke evil in the world. Unless that happens, evil will win....every time.
 
Andalublue said:
We don't have many Muslim members on DP, but those we have are almost 100% damning in their condemnation of Islamist extremists. I've never met a moderate Muslim who didn't.
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One Muslim in particular does a better job of defending liberal values than the large majority of those who claim to be liberal. A former poster who was Muslim was also quite reasonable.

Other Muslim posters have contributed only hatred to this site,however.

If you are going to toss around various terms, it might be a good idea to define them, however, because if your so-called "moderate" Muslims still believe in no seperation of religion and politics, think women are second-classcitizens, hate gays and believe that those who leave Islam should be put to death, they are not moderate-- they are extreme, at least by OUR standards.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Such a bizarre relationship this one between the radical Islamist and the progressive. The only thing they have in common is a mutual hate of the US and Israel. But the fatal mistake of the progressive is not realizing the radical islamist in the end wants him exterminated also.
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The old line by Churchill comes to mind about feeding the crocodile,hoping it will eat them last.

Much of the defense arises from profound ignorance as to what Mulsims actually believe combined with a child-like naivete', extreme simple-mindedness and utter dogmatism. These people defend Islamism because they frame any criticism of it as "right wing" while failing to understand that what they are defending is so conservative in nature as to be off the charts.


It is so inherently silly for progressives to defend attitudes that have not progressed in 1500 years.
 
WCH said:
Since that works out to about 160 million...yes that's quite a few. Trouble being the Muslim who are outspoken against the radicals tend to end up dead.
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This is true, and not only will they be attacked by extremists inside their own faith they also will be attacked by the left as "fear mongering" for speaking up. So when the few do speak against the radical elements of their faith the should be supported and not attacked.
 
Amadeus said:
Yeah, but 25% of Muslims are not radical. I've never met a radical Muslim. I've met plenty of Muslims who were nothing but sweet and pleasant.

Brigitte is a fear-monger. She wants ALL Muslims to be put under suspicion. She wants the religion excised from America, which actually un-American.
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define "radical"

I happen to think that supporting the killing of anybody who leaves a religion is extremely radical. You obviously think it is normal and acceptable to kill somebody for showing independance in belief. You see nothing radical in supporting the killing of homosexuals or obliterating the notion of free speech, either,by the looks of it because in your very simple world view,all you know is that you aqre expected to defend Islam so that is what you do.


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Why do you support killing people over belief? After all, you made the claim that 25% of Muslims could not be radical,yet the percentage of Muslims who support killing people who leave Islam exceeds that. Why do you support severe corporal punishment for improper sexual conduct? After all, you have made the claim that this is not radical.

The truth of the matter is that you know absolutely nothing about what Muslims actually believe as all you know is that you must defend them. If you have any intellectual honesty whatsoever, look at the Pew reports so you might actually learn what you are defending so vehemently.

It sure ain't liberalsim, that's for sure.
 
Gringo allstar said:
This is true, and not only will they be attacked by extremists inside their own faith they also will be attacked by the left as "fear mongering" for speaking up. .
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The extremely ignorant and reactive portions of the left,anyway.

I am left of center, but actually support liberal values unlike these illiberal leftists.
 
Amadeus said:
Yeah, but 25% of Muslims are not radical. I've never met a radical Muslim. I've met plenty of Muslims who were nothing but sweet and pleasant.

Brigitte is a fear-monger. She wants ALL Muslims to be put under suspicion. She wants the religion excised from America, which actually un-American.
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Not trying to pick a fight here, but I find your signature more on the lines of "fear mongering" then anything she said. It seems to be a quote to discredit christians and portray them as kooky and moronic?? And if Hitchens said it im sure that was his intent. So who's calling the kettle black?? Like I said im not trying flame you but try and be somewhat consistent.
 
Gardener said:
define "radical"
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Brigitte Gabriel defines radical as:

a practising Muslim who goes to mosque every Friday, prays five times a day, and who believes that the Koran is the word of God, and who believes that Mohammed is the perfect man and (four inaudible words) is a radical Muslim. -Brigitte Gabriel
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Gringo allstar said:
Not trying to pick a fight here, but I find your signature more on the lines of "fear mongering" then anything she said. It seems to be a quote to discredit christians and portray them as kooky and moronic?? And if Hitchens said it im sure that was his intent. So who's calling the kettle black?? Like I said im not trying flame you but try and be somewhat consistent.
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Show me where I'm inconsistent. Are you saying Jerry Falwell was a good representative of Christianity? The guy who blamed 9/11 on homosexuals? Because I sure as hell don't.
 
Amadeus said:
Brigitte Gabriel defines radical as:
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I didn't think you would be honest enough to actually address anything I said or peruse the information I provided.

Why do you support the killing of people who leave Islam?
 
US Conservative said:
They dont see it as freedom, they see it as corrupt, weak, decadent, and worthy of conquest and attack because its not islamic.

Im reminded of an interview with a radical in London several years ago, who was asked by a reporter something along the lines of "if you so despise the west, why would you move and live here?" to which he smirked and replied "this is my all mine, this all belongs to islam". If I can find the interview I will post it. In the mean time, take a look at this. ISIS terrorists targeting english speakers. They want to bring terror here. They are open about it.

We need to recognize that and frankly we need to expose them to large amounts of kinetic energy as its what they understand.

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That's a silly answer-so very wrong as well....its because we meddled first:peace
 
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