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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What truly idiotic sophistry.

    You could have just said right off the bat that you would attempt any dishonest rationalization at your disposal in order to obscure the truth.
    Fine. Explain how someone who believes homosexuality should be criminalized and believes in Islam, but does not support terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, is relevant to the discussion of terrorism.

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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I'm no fan of radical Islam, and I think it's dangerous and cancerous. I also advocate the limitation of all religion in Western society, Islam foremost as a particularly repressive and anti-modern one.
    I'm glad to see you express this position. Of course, Your stupendous and Intentional numerical Blooper remains Uncorrected.
    Tho at least not repeated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum
    But I can't help at laugh at the truly, utterly absurd claims by some US conservatives about "Britainistan" or "Londonistan" or other silly (albeit amusing) references to the 'Islamisation' of Western Europe.
    I heard and referenced those words from Brits.
    That would be, ie, the famous book of that title by Melanie Phillips and excellent article by Hitchens in Vanity Fair. I posted the latter several times here.

    Of course, John Cleese also says London is Unrecognizable/a foreign experience now.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...lish-city.html
    Go figure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum

    If you were really up on the subject, you would know that 90% of all persons charged with hate speech and discrimination are Muslims, and both Cameron's government and the New Labour before it have taken huge steps to arrest any growing radical influence in the British Islamic community.
    I wouldn't be surprised considering the Radical Finsbury-Mosque-types that - London!stan- is rightfully famous for. Though I doubt it's true in the rest of the EU. Perhaps you'd like to post the numbers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum

    I'll also point you to the recent enquiries in some London inner-city schools, in which police and government officials have identified and neutralised several radical Islamist teachers. So, all this is to say that where there is a potential problem, we deal with it. But overwhelmingly, the more important thing I'd like to let you know, having lived in London for a long, long time -- the idea that there are neighbourhoods that follow Sharia law or are patrolled by radical Islamic militias is nonsense.
    We had a string on that Large problem, which was NOT just a few teachers.
    Another Apologist Minimization.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...estigated.html

    Didn't see YOU Post in it in the few MONTHS (3/7-6/13) it was running!
    In fact, you have NO posts in the 'Europe' section in your YEAR here and yet are somehow declaring superior knowledge. Mebbe you just didn't even want to lend the idea any more credibility by posting in it.. especially since you couldn't even try and deny it with UK posters!


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum
    Seriously, it has zero basis in fact. The Daily Mail (essentially a tabloid notorious for running scaremonger articles about anything from killer broccoli to killer Pakistanis) periodically comes up with a story about a woman harassed in some bad part of London for wearing skimpy clothes, or some mosque that's teaching the kids to be suicide bombers. Inevitably, when you delve deeper into these stories, you realise that they're either A) Unsubstantiated or B) Grossly twisted for the purpose of selling newspapers. It probably occurs occasionally -- something like a woman walking home at night being harassed by a bunch of young men because she's in a short dress, or an outsider wandering into the wrong neighbourhood and getting mugged. I ask you -- is it any different in Chicago, New York, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta, LA, Detroit, Boston or Miami? Or any other US city I can name?
    Yeah it IS different.
    Those cities, and America in general, have more crime/violence than Europe.. at least until the recent influx of immigrants that is.
    So this is an admission that due to Muslim immigrants, EU/UK has caught up with our 'involuntary immigrants'.

    How was, ie, Malmo 30 years ago? Now?
    And so many more.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum
    Maybe I should start running headlines: "The increasing Africanisation of Chicagafrica! FOUR WHITE WOMEN RAPED BY RAMPAGING AFRICANS -- WHEN WILL THE GOVERNMENT STAND UP TO THE INCREASING BLACKIFICATION OF AMERICA?!" It's absurd. Socioeconomic factors are the cause here. The Pakistanis in inner-city London are poor and uneducated. They resort to crime, and feel oppressed by outsiders, particularly white Britons.
    Unfortunately, Race, even more than poverty, IS the single best indicator when predicting crime in America.
    So Solly!
    Bad news for you: I'm generally progressive but Never put PC over Fact.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum

    They're not all going to grow up to be Osama bin Laden, as much as every black person in Chicago isn't going to grow up to be Malcolm X.
    They don't have to grow up to be Osama bin Laden to change UK/EU civilization/values for the worse.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...fer-500-a.html
    Oh how the Brit/EUer tune has changed here in the near 5 years since I posted that string.
    Now some of them are 'Islamophobes' too, others gone.
    THEY talk about the Islamist threat every day now!

    You might want to read the threads I Linked above because your particular fudging is way behind the curve.
    I make the same replies I did then.. but with less opposition/takers.

    What we have here is your opening declaration/admission followed by Tons of contrary apologist BS.

    (yet more later)
    Last edited by mbig; 06-27-14 at 11:18 PM.
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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I'm no fan of radical Islam, and I think it's dangerous and cancerous. I also advocate the limitation of all religion in Western society, Islam foremost as a particularly repressive and anti-modern one.

    But I can't help at laugh at the truly, utterly absurd claims by some US conservatives about "Britainistan" or "Londonistan" or other silly (albeit amusing) references to the 'Islamisation' of Western Europe.

    If you were really up on the subject, you would know that 90% of all persons charged with hate speech and discrimination are Muslims, and both Cameron's government and the New Labour before it have taken huge steps to arrest any growing radical influence in the British Islamic community.

    I'll also point you to the recent enquiries in some London inner-city schools, in which police and government officials have identified and neutralised several radical Islamist teachers.

    So, all this is to say that where there is a potential problem, we deal with it.

    But overwhelmingly, the more important thing I'd like to let you know, having lived in London for a long, long time -- the idea that there are neighbourhoods that follow Sharia law or are patrolled by radical Islamic militias is nonsense.

    Seriously, it has zero basis in fact. The Daily Mail (essentially a tabloid notorious for running scaremonger articles about anything from killer broccoli to killer Pakistanis) periodically comes up with a story about a woman harassed in some bad part of London for wearing skimpy clothes, or some mosque that's teaching the kids to be suicide bombers. Inevitably, when you delve deeper into these stories, you realise that they're either A) Unsubstantiated or B) Grossly twisted for the purpose of selling newspapers.

    It probably occurs occasionally -- something like a woman walking home at night being harassed by a bunch of young men because she's in a short dress, or an outsider wandering into the wrong neighbourhood and getting mugged.

    I ask you -- is it any different in Chicago, New York, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta, LA, Detroit, Boston or Miami? Or any other US city I can name?

    Maybe I should start running headlines: "The increasing Africanisation of Chicagafrica! FOUR WHITE WOMEN RAPED BY RAMPAGING AFRICANS -- WHEN WILL THE GOVERNMENT STAND UP TO THE INCREASING BLACKIFICATION OF AMERICA?!"

    It's absurd. Socioeconomic factors are the cause here. The Pakistanis in inner-city London are poor and uneducated. They resort to crime, and feel oppressed by outsiders, particularly white Britons.

    They're not all going to grow up to be Osama bin Laden, as much as every black person in Chicago isn't going to grow up to be Malcolm X.
    Ive seen several clips of gangs of Islamists roaming London telling everyone (including non muslims) what they can and cant do-including smoking, drinking, how they dress etc. I dont see that here in the US, I can't remember one case of that-and if it does happen, id guess its muslims.

    Now granted, the media makes these events high profile (remembering the soldier beheaded in broad daylight for example), but its clearly part of a trend.

    Our gangs aren't sharia, and of course they have plenty of issues. Europe's population is gradually decreasing, save for immigrants, many of whom are muslim. You will need to address this before the US, I'd like to think it will end well, but who knows.

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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    Ok so the tea party is extremist?

    What about the left who will say that I'm engaging in a "war on women" and that I hate women and want to control them for no other reason than that I am pro-life. All I have to say to a leftist is that I'm pro-life, nothing else and that is the response they give to me. they know nothing at all about me other than I disagree with their views of abortion yet they know for a fact that I want to control women. They don't know nor do they care that I am a husband and father who does everything possible to make my wife and daughters lives happy and safe. Nope.....all they need to know is I don't share their opinion on the abortion issue so I hate women and want to control them.

    That's not extreme?
    There is nothing extremist about the TEA party, though I can see why a brit might think as much.

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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Fine. Explain how someone who believes homosexuality should be criminalized and believes in Islam, but does not support terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, is relevant to the discussion of terrorism.
    The discussion is extremism.

    You have defended those who support the mission of Islamist terrorists but not their methods,and are unwilling to consider any Muslimas extreme unless they explicitly support a terrorist group. Were you to use this barometer for other groups,you would find essentially NO extreme Jews,NO extreme Christians,and NO extreme just about anybody else. Only Muslims receive this special deference of yours where you feel somehow required to engage in these bizarre mental gymnastics where you move the goal posts so as to attempt to remain true to the dictates of your dogma. Most obviously,what you consider "moderate" for a Muslim is not what you consider moderate for anybody else, as even those Muslims who support a viscious, oppressive totalitarian state get a free pass from you.This is just plainly dishonest since the double standards are so patently hypocritical.

    The large number of Muslims who support the mission,if not the precise methods of Islamist terrorists ARE the issue here. When you defend them like you do,you only hurt those Muslims who truly ARE moderate. By calling people with extreme views "moderate" for no other reason than you have been programmed to do so through various insinuations that you are some sort of bigot if you tell the truth,you undermine the ability of the very people who are always the first to suffer under their yoke of oppression. If you were even the tiniest bit progressive in any real sense,you would understand this.
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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The discussion is extremism.

    You have defended those who support the mission of Islamist terrorists but not their methods,and are unwilling to consider any Muslimas extreme unless they explicitly support a terrorist group. Were you to use this barometer for other groups,you would find essentially NO extreme Jews,NO extreme Christians,and NO extreme just about anybody else. Only Muslims receive this special deference of yours where you feel somehow required to engage in these bizarre mental gymnastics where you move the goal posts so as to attempt to remain true to the dictates of your dogma. Most obviously,what you consider "moderate" for a Muslim is not what you consider moderate for anybody else, as even those Muslims who support a viscious, oppressive totalitarian state get a free pass from you.This is just plainly dishonest since the double standards are so patently hypocritical.

    The large number of Muslims who support the mission,if not the precise methods of Islamist terrorists ARE the issue here. When you defend them like you do,you only hurt those Muslims who truly ARE moderate. By calling people with extreme views "moderate" for no other reason than you have been programmed to do so through various insinuations that you are some sort of bigot if you tell the truth,you undermine the ability of the very people who are always the first to suffer under their yoke of oppression. If you were even the tiniest bit progressive in any real sense,you would understand this.
    They aren't true progressives. If they were, they wouldn't be supporting the hateful, intolerance of radical islam.

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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    That is false because I am talking about people who identify with Islam and win elections, not Islam radicals who want to shove the Quran down the throats
    the bolded group is precisely who wins elections.

    when it becomes a major cultural thing to set fire to Mosques and kidnap young Muslim girls in order to force them to convert to Christianity and marry a Christian who is free to treat her as he pleases, let me know. Or, say, when we decide to support a death penalty for those who leave Christendom.

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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It amazes me,sometimes, how uneducated, dishonest people can get so carried away by their dogmatism that they would resort to such idiotic comparisons. If the tea party are extremists for their conservative beliefs, then over a billion Muslims must be extremists. If the Landover Baptist is an extremist organization for their opinions about gay people, there are hundreds and hundreds of millions of extremist Muslims. If a religious sect in the west shuns apostates,these same chittering parrots would call them extremist and then in the next breath call muslims "moderate" who would support KILLING apostates.

    I guess what bothers me more than anything about these profoundly illiberal apolgists for the antithesis of liberalism is that they do nothing but contribute what amounts to rhetorical pollution to the discussion. Since they are on the left (usually the authoritarian hard left), they are often confused with liberals, and the voices of actual liberals cannot be heard above the cacophany of their polluted views. People think these automatic defenses of pre-enlightenment belief systems IS the sign of a liberal, and that the lies, the mealy-mouthed double talk and the false equivalences that constitute their stock in trade is smehow a liberal characteristic. It isn't. Their duplicity is not the product of a world view that is liberal. It is the product of a world view that is profoundly ANTI liberal, so thorough is their support for the misogyny, the patriarchy, the theocratic ideology,the hatred of gays, and the enormous disregard for humanist values.

    Simply put --they would not produce such a huge,stinking pile of sophistry to defend these archly regressive values if there was even the tiniest hint of liberalsim in their world view.
    So my question is what do we call these non-liberals? Who are they? They certainly aren't giving anyone a good name.

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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So my question is what do we call these non-liberals? .
    I can think of many terrms but none represents an actual political philosophy.That is because they havenone,

    I suppose the closest term I would choose is "Islamist useful idiot"
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    Re: Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

    The question made me LOL. what a troll post.

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