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Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 18 46.2%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Total voters
    39
Perotista said:
I know, being peaceful lead to 3 million dead Cambodians, she could have mentioned Pol Pot too. If the peaceful let the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Jihadist of the world have their way, they are indeed irrelevant to the who situation. But doing something about it is against the peaceful's nature. The peaceful 85% of Muslims won't speak up or do anything to prevent the Jihadist out of fear of them, fear they will be killed. So the Jihadist for all practical purposes have hijack their religion.

I guess it is what it is.
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I think what it is-is a violent relic of the past, still manifest in the present day. The PC police dont want the facts known, nor do they want to confront the issue. Particularly fascinating is the left should be leading the fight against anti-women, anti-gay, anti-education, anti-tolerance but they are silent about this in Islam.
 
US Conservative said:
Are you telling me you are precisely in the middle? The epitome of centrist? What are the odds of that?
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He sure as hell says his LEAN is to the right. I can't even guess, unless he's from outer space.
 
Deuce said:
Haven't seen any Christians stepping up to stop radical Christians from furthering persecution of homosexuals in Uganda.
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Ah this little chestnut. I dont see Christians supporting this, and I dont see it on the global scale as it is with islam. Im reminded of the joke about a liberal who goes to the dentist and is told he has a cavity in one tooth-who then smugly replies "yeah, but not ALL of my teeth have cavities". :doh
 
cpwill said:
Your link only takes to the headline, I can't get to the data.
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You have to watch the video.

However, Pew does excellent research into this.

Al-Qaeda's "unfavorability" rating across the Muslim public? 57%. For cripes sakes, Time-Warner has higher unfavorability ratings than that.
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The poll doesn't tell us how many have favorable opinions of Al Qaeda, and how many didn't know/didn't care. I agree that that's alarming, but it's relatively inconsistent with everything else I've seen.

62% of Pakistani Muslims support suicide-bombing, however, more than three quarters across the polling say that targeting explicitly civilians is bad. So radical Islamism, yes, terrorism as a means to that end, less so.
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I think you meant Palestinian Muslims. 89% of Pakistani Muslims were opposed to suicide-bombing. ;) In addition, 64% of Palestinians said they were concerned about Islamic extremism, according to the poll, which conflicts with the question about suicide-bombers. Also Palestine is one nation under very extreme circumstances with the Israel dibockle, so they're more likely to turn to extremism, but they don't globally represent Muslims.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
You have to watch the video.



The poll doesn't tell us how many have favorable opinions of Al Qaeda, and how many didn't know/didn't care. I agree that that's alarming, but it's relatively inconsistent with everything else I've seen.



I think you meant Palestinian Muslims. 89% of Pakistani Muslims were opposed to suicide-bombing. ;) In addition, 64% of Palestinians said they were concerned about Islamic extremism, according to the poll, which conflicts with the question about suicide-bombers. Also Palestine is one nation under very extreme circumstances with the Israel dibockle, so they're more likely to turn to extremism, but they don't globally represent Muslims.
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The global numbers are still pretty damning. Are you suggesting otherwise?
 
US Conservative said:
I think what it is-is a violent relic of the past, still manifest in the present day. The PC police dont want the facts known, nor do they want to confront the issue. Particularly fascinating is the left should be leading the fight against anti-women, anti-gay, anti-education, anti-tolerance but they are silent about this in Islam.
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A classic liberal would. It was classic liberals that founded this country in their belief of individual freedoms and against authoritarian types of government as seen in the Islamic Republics. But the classic liberal is a thing of the past replaced by progressives.

It is my bed time, good night one and all.
 
US Conservative said:
The global numbers are still pretty damning. Are you suggesting otherwise?
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On which poll? Saying 57% of Muslims oppose Al Qaeda, while we don't know if the percentage that answered don't know/don't care was 2% or 30%, leaves the door open to interpretation. On the other poll, 93% of Muslims not identifying with radical Islam doesn't seem alarming at all.
 
10-15% lol. Pure hyperbole. You're an idiot if you believe that statistic frankly.
But at the same time, most muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims. You know what that means, stay out of those Bat**** crazy countries.
 
APACHERAT said:
One shouldn't practice buggery in Uganda.
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Perotista said:
A classic liberal would. It was classic liberals that founded this country in their belief of individual freedoms and against authoritarian types of government as seen in the Islamic Republics. But the classic liberal is a thing of the past replaced by progressives.

It is my bed time, good night one and all.
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Classical liberals have more in common with modern conservatives than modern liberals. Liberals are good at moving from name to name as they soil each one.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
On which poll? Saying 57% of Muslims oppose Al Qaeda, while we don't know if the percentage that answered don't know/don't care was 2% or 30%, leaves the door open to interpretation. On the other poll, 93% of Muslims not identifying with radical Islam doesn't seem alarming at all.
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More important are the numbers that DO support bombings, sharia law for ALL people, etc.

Instead of looking for numbers to support what you WANT to see, read through the report in its entirety.
 
Fruityfact said:
10-15% lol. Pure hyperbole. You're an idiot if you believe that statistic frankly.
But at the same time, most muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims. You know what that means, stay out of those Bat**** crazy countries.
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To be honest I'd be content letting them create a hell for themselves, but they seem to want to spread their attacks and values with the west.

What happens when they attack here?
 
US Conservative said:
To be honest I'd be content letting them create a hell for themselves, but they seem to want to spread their attacks and values with the west.

What happens when they attack here?
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And why do you think they did that... because they hate our freedom?
 
US Conservative said:
More important are the numbers that DO support bombings, sharia law for ALL people, etc.

Instead of looking for numbers to support what you WANT to see, read through the report in its entirety.
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It doesn't give a total number for people who support bombings. It does for individual countries, but not for the overall number. It doesn't say anything about Sharia Law. I did realize that I missed the section about Al Qaeda. Only 13% support Al Qaeda. And as I said before, from the first poll, less than 7% identify as radicals.
 
Fruityfact said:
And why do you think they did that... because they hate our freedom?
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They dont see it as freedom, they see it as corrupt, weak, decadent, and worthy of conquest and attack because its not islamic.

Im reminded of an interview with a radical in London several years ago, who was asked by a reporter something along the lines of "if you so despise the west, why would you move and live here?" to which he smirked and replied "this is my all mine, this all belongs to islam". If I can find the interview I will post it. In the mean time, take a look at this. ISIS terrorists targeting english speakers. They want to bring terror here. They are open about it.

We need to recognize that and frankly we need to expose them to large amounts of kinetic energy as its what they understand.

 
Kal'Stang said:
No poll option that isn't right or left framed for Americans. As such, can't participate in it.

And yes, I agree with her. Unless the peaceful muslims stand up to the radical muslims and force them to stop their jihads the peaceful part of the population is irrelevent. And this includes any race, creed, ideology and any other name/designation you can come up with.
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The problem with that is that the peaceful Muslims are just as terrified of the radical Islamists as everybody else...
 
SocialDemocrat said:
It doesn't give a total number for people who support bombings. It does for individual countries, but not for the overall number. It doesn't say anything about Sharia Law. I did realize that I missed the section about Al Qaeda. Only 13% support Al Qaeda. And as I said before, from the first poll, less than 7% identify as radicals.
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Your mistake is focusing merely on the percentage, as if thats central to the argument. There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. Even a small percentage would be a huge number, and that was her point.
 
Juanita said:
The problem with that is that the peaceful Muslims are just as terrified of the radical Islamists as everybody else...
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True, maybe more so, because they live amongst these radicals. Whats happening RIGHT NOW, across huge portions of western Iraq, is these radicals are being "cheered" as they roll into town. And within a few days, there are punishments for smoking or listening to popular music. All the while, any civilians who cooperated with the Iraq govt are being publically executed. Anyone seen as being friendly with westerners or sunnis are executed. Any ancient mosques or historical sites are being blown up. This is what they want to do to the world-and they SAY THAT.
 
US Conservative said:
True, maybe more so, because they live amongst these radicals. Whats happening RIGHT NOW, across huge portions of western Iraq, is these radicals are being "cheered" as they roll into town. And within a few days, there are punishments for smoking or listening to popular music. All the while, any civilians who cooperated with the Iraq govt are being publically executed. Anyone seen as being friendly with westerners or sunnis are executed. Any ancient mosques or historical sites are being blown up. This is what they want to do to the world-and they SAY THAT.
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Yes they do. They would like to see the whole world as an Islamic Caliphate and all infidels dead. that is their goal...
 
US Conservative said:
Your mistake is focusing merely on the percentage, as if thats central to the argument. There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. Even a small percentage would be a huge number, and that was her point.
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It's a little hard to take someone's argument seriously when they grossly exaggerate their statistics.

Juanita said:
Unfortunately, radical Islamists exist all over the world, not just in the middle east...
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True, but I don't think anyone has actually done a worldwide poll. The majority of Muslims live in the Middle East so that's likely going to be the most accurate statistic you're going to get.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
It's a little hard to take someone's argument seriously when they grossly exaggerate their statistics.
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Perhaps you mean its a convenient excuse for yourself. Her point was that its a HUGE NUMBER of people who support radical islam, and she's right. This was her point, and I think you know that.


SocialDemocrat said:
True, but I don't think anyone has actually done a worldwide poll. The majority of Muslims live in the Middle East so that's likely going to be the most accurate statistic you're going to get.
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Wrong, the majority of Muslims DO NOT live in the middle east. The largest population is in south east asia, and less than 20% live in the ME.
 
US Conservative said:
Perhaps you mean its a convenient excuse for yourself. Her point was that its a HUGE NUMBER of people who support radical islam, and she's right. This was her point, and I think you know that.
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The question was whether or not I agree with her. I don't, because she uses false statistics to make her point. I agree that there is an existence of radical Islam that has been provoked by American aggression and intervention in the Middle East.

Wrong, the majority of Muslims DO NOT live in the middle east. The largest population is in south east asia, and less than 20% live in the ME.
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Yikes, I've been slipping up on stuff like that way too much on stuff like that tonight. :p Most Muslims live in Asia, however, and Southeast Asian nations were included in the poll, so the point still stands.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
The question was whether or not I agree with her. I don't, because she uses false statistics to make her point. I agree that there is an existence of radical Islam that has been provoked by American aggression and intervention in the Middle East.



Yikes, I've been slipping up on stuff like that way too much on stuff like that tonight. :p Most Muslims live in Asia, however, and Southeast Asian nations were included in the poll, so the point still stands.
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So since you disagree with her number, kindly show us your data. After you have done that explain how the difference is significant.


And sorry, southeast asia IS NOT the middle east. Own it. Theres no need to be slippery just admit it.
 
US Conservative said:
So since you disagree with her number, kindly show us your data. After you have done that explain how the difference is significant.
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I already did. Watch the video in the link I originally posted. 7%=/=25%. And furthermore, her claim here is based off of the fact that the religion of extremist groups is at all relevant. It's not. When someone murders someone, we don't legislate the punishment based on their intent; we legislate based on what they did, so that sort of policy doesn't differ when someone who is willing to use violence comes from a sort religion. I fail to see how the existence of extremist groups makes Islam as a religion a problem at all.

And sorry, southeast asia IS NOT the middle east. Own it. Theres no need to be slippery just admit it.
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I was under the impression that I already did.
 
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