View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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  • Yes, with some amount of troops.

    3 6.98%
  • No, we'll stay out indefinitely.

    17 39.53%
  • We'll do minimalist advisers, air force and/or drone attacks.

    13 30.23%
  • It's a watch and wait situation for now.

    10 23.26%
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    Back to Iraq?

    I predict from the News sources info on ISIL/ISIS, we'll definitely have to do air strikes at minimum and probably ground forces. They're gathering too much momentum, causing too much of a conflagration in the ME/Levant and rumoring they'll start terror attacks on the US and Israel. All that and their increasing ability to affect oil markets and drawing in other surrounding Arab nations will put pressure on the US to react.

    They might settle down and organize the areas they have in control and leave it alone, but I doubt it because of their fundamentalist nature to spread extremism and conquer.

    BAGHDAD — Winding up a day of crisis talks with Iraqi leaders, Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that the Sunni militants seizing territory in Iraq had become such a threat that the United States might not wait for Iraqi politicians to form a new government before taking military action.

    “They do pose a threat,” Mr. Kerry said, referring to the fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. “They cannot be given safe haven anywhere.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/24/wo...ment.html?_r=0
    President Obama said that the jihadist group known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria "poses a medium- and long-term threat" to the American people, but that other organizations present more imminent danger.

    "Right now the problem with ISIS is the fact that they're destabilizing the country," Obama said. "That could spill over into some of our, you know, allies like Jordan and that they are engaged in wars in Syria where — in that vacuum that's been created — they could amass more arms, more resources."

    Obama says ISIS ‘poses a medium- and long-term threat’ to Americans - The Washington Post
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    nahhh.

    Let it rott.

    The shias and kurds will eventualy take care of buisness.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    No. We'll ultimately do more harm and good, regardless of whether or not our intentions are genuine humanitarian concerns or corporate interests in protecting oil.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    This thing will spread. It has been going for over 700 years and now even the Kurds are trying to grab land (oil bearing land) before it all gets claimed.

    Our national interest is at stake here. Does that mean I'm in favor of another "invasion?" No, not by a long shot. However, we will have to deal with this one way or or another at some point.

    Maybe The German is correct, and it will all work it's self out. We can only hope. But, given the history of the region, the fanaticism of the Islamist factions and 7th Century culture that in place there... I doubt it.

    The problem is two fold; the region may very well become the next stronghold of Islamist extremist terrorism (hell, even Al Qaeda said ISIS/ISIL was too radical for them), and they're going to control the oil in that region.

    Anyone that thinks that these people won't invade Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait, and the rest of the Arabian Peninsula are deluding themselves. They currently have TWO BILLION DOLLARS. And, as they capture more oil fields and refineries, that number just grows exponentially. They have captured tanks, artillery and huge caches of ammunition... and even an old chemical weapons plant.

    I have no idea what to do, but we will have to do something... sometime... and it only will get harder as time goes by.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    nahhh.

    Let it rott.

    The shias and kurds will eventualy take care of buisness.
    Apparently most Americans agree with you:

    http://aufc.3cdn.net/e18f2bbe97bb0e038f_7rm6bhuj1.pdf
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    This thing will spread. It has been going for over 700 years and now even the Kurds are trying to grab land (oil bearing land) before it all gets claimed.

    Our national interest is at stake here. Does that mean I'm in favor of another "invasion?" No, not by a long shot. However, we will have to deal with this one way or or another at some point.

    Maybe The German is correct, and it will all work it's self out. We can only hope. But, given the history of the region, the fanaticism of the Islamist factions and 7th Century culture that in place there... I doubt it.

    The problem is two fold; the region may very well become the next stronghold of Islamist extremist terrorism (hell, even Al Qaeda said ISIS/ISIL was too radical for them), and they're going to control the oil in that region.

    Anyone that thinks that these people won't invade Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait, and the rest of the Arabian Peninsula are deluding themselves. They currently have TWO BILLION DOLLARS. And, as they capture more oil fields and refineries, that number just grows exponentially. They have captured tanks, artillery and huge caches of ammunition... and even an old chemical weapons plant.

    I have no idea what to do, but we will have to do something... sometime... and it only will get harder as time goes by.
    These are my sentiments almost exactly. I don't believe anyone in the US wants us to go back, but it's a situation that will impact us more negatively if we don't. The oil markets are an aggregate and we still rely enough on it to keep a radical group from putting on the squeeze. Plus, they'll possibly destabilize the whole region even further for decades of constant, insurgent-terrorist style fighting.

    There's not a good answer and as much as I hate sending troops, I think we need to go in 'hot & heavy' and stomp this out with authority. It will have a lasting effect on all the ME populations that America won't stand for a bunch of organized rebellious crap that destabilizes the world. Either that or we need to drill like crazy to augment our own sources and let the region descend into chaos, which I don't believe we'll do.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    I support pulling all troops out of that part of the world, and then weaning ourselves off of oil.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I support pulling all troops out of that part of the world, and then weaning ourselves off of oil.
    Well, I'd settle for pulling our troops home and weaning ourselves off of foreign oil, then eventually all oil in 40-50 years.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I support pulling all troops out of that part of the world, and then weaning ourselves off of oil.
    I agree we should've been doing this since the 70's, when solar and electric technology was catching on. But we allowed the petroleum to dominate the energy needs of our nation, and now the time it will take to rebuild our infrastructure and switch everyone over to electric vehicles is years and years off.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Go...dont go...I will say support the presidents decisions...as long as he doesnt do something extraordinarily stupid like send in people to get slaughtered. If we go, we should go in significant enough force to accomplish the mission and we should have clear mission directives. If we dont go...OK...I'm cool with that too. Just dont do something stupid and for once just own your own decisions and stop blaming everyone else.

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