View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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  • Yes, with some amount of troops.

    3 6.98%
  • No, we'll stay out indefinitely.

    17 39.53%
  • We'll do minimalist advisers, air force and/or drone attacks.

    13 30.23%
  • It's a watch and wait situation for now.

    10 23.26%
  • Other (explain).

    3 6.98%
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Her read appears to be that this is just the three state solution asserting itself, with Sunni, Shia, and Kurds declaring and defending their own territory. It appears the (mostly) rational Kurds got the oil.

    Why shouldn't we just ratify this?

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Her read appears to be that this is just the three state solution asserting itself, with Sunni, Shia, and Kurds declaring and defending their own territory. It appears the (mostly) rational Kurds got the oil.

    Why shouldn't we just ratify this?
    Because that course of action would make turkey very angry.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    Tragically, that would be your opinion as I have found nothing to support that tired excuse. We have the technology to break the oil dependency cycle however are under the iron grasp of the oil/fossil fuel cartels whom also control all our politicians. The time to plan for this was four decades ago

    No more blood for oil.

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    My opinion reflects the reality. There isn't a conspiracy here, if the means existed, we wouldnt need BS chrontarded lefty subsidies, and a system would present itself.

    Thats not the case, and the few promising solutions, like nuclear, are opposed, mostly by lefties.

    Take a look at the energy demands (and more remarkably the output) of our economy. There IS NO substitute for oil.

    And the irony of you sitting in front of a computer made of oil based products as you say this is particularly ironic.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Lefty drivel. Take a look at the mass executions popping up on youtube and liveleak every 5 minutes. Tell them to pop a valium.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree that reducing any dependence on the ME is a good thing. Tragically the fact is that we can't run a 21st century economy on any green solution. This is reality. So I think we should expand drilling and utilize other techniques here and amongst friendly nations. Even just historically speaking, there will almost certainly be effective advancements in energy, but we aren't there yet, so we should not rely on something that wont work.
    Oil is fungible, so as long as we rely on it as our primary transportation fuel, we will be affected by whatever happens in the Middle East and in other hostile regions of the world. It's in our interest to set a goal of replacing our energy model. We've wasted too much time already, and the same thing is going to happen again and again.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    As for taxes, its remarkable that the left only seems concerned with fiscal responsibility when it suits them. There is a radical islamist state forming as I type. If you would prefer to bury your head in the sand than do it.
    No war without wartime tax rates. Whenever our troops are deployed, the marginal rates should be almost putative. This will serve two purposes . First, it will pay for the war itself, as well as corollary costs. Second, it will make the average American a lot less hawkish.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    We don't need to transition from oil, we got all the oil we need right here at home, open up federal lands. Further we have a friendly neighbor to the north that has plenty of oil, build Keystone. For you it's really about killing coal and oil.
    Incorrect. See my previous post.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I say let the ISIS form their country.

    It will make it easier to issue a declaration of war against a country instead of trying to pick out individual targets
    Thats cute. You think these combatants are going to put on uniforms and fight conventionally because they have hacked a self proclaimed border? These are the same terrorists we have been fighting in Iraq, and the same that have been fighting for years.

    They are going to occupy the same civilian buildings, hide behind the same women and children while they fight, and use the same tactics.
    Nothing will have changed.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree that reducing any dependence on the ME is a good thing. Tragically the fact is that we can't run a 21st century economy on any green solution. This is reality. So I think we should expand drilling and utilize other techniques here and amongst friendly nations. Even just historically speaking, there will almost certainly be effective advancements in energy, but we aren't there yet, so we should not rely on something that wont work.

    As for taxes, its remarkable that the left only seems concerned with fiscal responsibility when it suits them. There is a radical islamist state forming as I type. If you would prefer to bury your head in the sand than do it.
    let them form a country, it makes it easier for us to fight them.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats cute. You think these combatants are going to put on uniforms and fight conventionally because they have hacked a self proclaimed border? These are the same terrorists we have been fighting in Iraq, and the same that have been fighting for years.

    They are going to occupy the same civilian buildings, hide behind the same women and children while they fight, and use the same tactics.
    Nothing will have changed.
    if they form a country, a declaration of war would effectively target all citizens of the country.

    what good is a human shield when the entire country is fair game?
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Her read appears to be that this is just the three state solution asserting itself, with Sunni, Shia, and Kurds declaring and defending their own territory. It appears the (mostly) rational Kurds got the oil.

    Why shouldn't we just ratify this?
    Amongst other reasons, the nations that they have taken this land from will not allow it. As for the Kurds, its a whole can of worms spread across multiple nations, and they would use that land to fight other nations to take back Kurdish lands. The Kurds would expect to get their ancestral lands much like you appear to think the Shia's and Sunni's do. Of course the problem is that those lines dont reflect modern borders, and in particular more secular arabs wont allow it.

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