View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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  • Yes, with some amount of troops.

    3 6.98%
  • No, we'll stay out indefinitely.

    17 39.53%
  • We'll do minimalist advisers, air force and/or drone attacks.

    13 30.23%
  • It's a watch and wait situation for now.

    10 23.26%
  • Other (explain).

    3 6.98%
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Russia would love to stop any and all competing pipelines and China would love more oil anyway they can get it. I have to agree that we can't leave a power vacuum in that area right now, it's just still too strategic an asset. I read an article the other day that ISIS claimed they actually had a nuke and would use it. Haven't heard anymore about it but that's a stupid thing to say, even if true. I don't think they're going to attack the US directly, though I'm sure if it were possible they would.

    We're not too far off in our assessment of the problem and need for action. Though, I would rather we extract ourselves as soon as possible, when the time comes. We keep trying to do everything on the cheap, half assing it and that's where all our problems get started. They need to make a real commitment to the take over and controlling of the country, until a real gov't can be set up. And honestly, Obama may say he doesn't want to go back but he's putting off the inevitable, unless ISIL decides to keep what they got and go no further. I do believe that Obama will try air strikes of some sort first, maybe in accompaniment with cruise missiles. The problem with those kind of armaments is not destroying innocent civilians. They won't let Baghdad fall and that's probably going to be the tipping point of whether/when we act or not.
    I think Israel is much more in danger of a nuke than we are (even getting on close would be hard, but not impossible), but the bigger point is they would if they could. AQ actually captured a major airport in Pakistan recently, a nuclear power.

    My solution (of course Im no expert) would be a fighting force minimally supported by the US-one that fights the way arabs do-meaning like how assad and saddam and Iran fight-without the PC rules of engagement of western nations. This is proven effective against terrorists, and we dont take the casualties or headlines of bombing an entire city block. The us presence would be behind this force, mainly to provide intelligence and air cover, and for maintaining a presence AFTER areas are cleared by the Iraqi military. We should dissolve shia militias, which would diminish fears of reprisal by sunni civilians while minimizing Iran's presence. If Iran wants to fight, let them do it through Syria. Our timelines should be based on outcomes, not a calendar. And frankly, I think we should do the same in Afghanistan.

    None of this is easy. None of this will be entirely safe for anyone, including us. None of this is politically popular (until the next attack here in the US). But we need to be up front and clear in our goals and own it-because this problem is enveloping the world and WILL get worse. Id rather fight them there, where they are attracted like bugs to light, than here. This war wont end like WW2, it wont have a clear ending, and it will be with us for decades to come, frankly.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You can't infer from this that the majority of terrorist funding comes from oil, the funders have very diverse backgrounds. And this funding also comes from nations that aren't wealthy and have no oil deposits. Laundering through charities alone (often from western donors) is significant.
    basically at some level, you understand that oil revenue is a big part of the funding for Middle Eastern terrorism / extremism. if you don't, your level of willful blindness is a bit disturbing, but fine.

    for argument's sake, let's entertain the theory that oil revenue isn't funding terrorism and extremism. i still support replacing oil so that we have to be a lot less involved in that area of the world. even if we drill more of our own, oil is still fungible, and is thus affected by whatever is going on in the Middle East and in other hostile areas of the world. our involvement lets Saudi Arabia off the hook. they need to establish order in their own region, as we would be required to do should Mexico devolve into a civil war.

    it's way past time to look ahead and consider other transportation fuel options that don't require the US to get involved every time there's some sort of unrest in that region, in my opinion.

    i'll add this : every time that we are sucked into a war, wartime tax rates need to go into effect to pay for it, and the marginal increases need to be significant. perhaps that would make the hawks a bit less enthusiastic. if we're going to war, we need to have a national discussion, and then we need to pay for it.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    basically at some level, you understand that oil revenue is a big part of the funding for Middle Eastern terrorism / extremism. if you don't, your level of willful blindness is a bit disturbing, but fine.

    for argument's sake, let's entertain the theory that oil revenue isn't funding terrorism and extremism. i still support replacing oil so that we have to be a lot less involved in that area of the world. even if we drill more of our own, oil is still fungible, and is thus affected by whatever is going on in the Middle East and in other hostile areas of the world. our involvement lets Saudi Arabia off the hook. they need to establish order in their own region, as we would be required to do should Mexico devolve into a civil war.

    it's way past time to look ahead and consider other transportation fuel options that don't require the US to get involved every time there's some sort of unrest in that region, in my opinion.

    i'll add this : every time that we are sucked into a war, wartime tax rates need to go into effect to pay for it, and the marginal increases need to be significant. perhaps that would make the hawks a bit less enthusiastic. if we're going to war, we need to have a national discussion, and then we need to pay for it.
    I agree that reducing any dependence on the ME is a good thing. Tragically the fact is that we can't run a 21st century economy on any green solution. This is reality. So I think we should expand drilling and utilize other techniques here and amongst friendly nations. Even just historically speaking, there will almost certainly be effective advancements in energy, but we aren't there yet, so we should not rely on something that wont work.

    As for taxes, its remarkable that the left only seems concerned with fiscal responsibility when it suits them. There is a radical islamist state forming as I type. If you would prefer to bury your head in the sand than do it.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Let's keep the U.S. out of it.

    What reason should we go back? It doesn't help us nor them.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Let's keep the U.S. out of it.

    What reason should we go back? It doesn't help us nor them.
    Why did we go there in the first place? If we leave Iraq and Afghanistan to the islamists, we are setting a precedence that we wont stay and fight, and we WILL be attacked again.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Saudi Arabia's economy is 92.5 percent oil revenue.

    Economy of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    if we were to transition from oil as a transportation fuel, then a lot fewer of our dollars would go to those who seek to funnel money to extremists.
    We don't need to transition from oil, we got all the oil we need right here at home, open up federal lands. Further we have a friendly neighbor to the north that has plenty of oil, build Keystone. For you it's really about killing coal and oil.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do understand nothing we've done has stopped them from growing. It is likely the invasion of Iraq itself grew terrorist. We'll be seeing the fruits of that misguided effort for a long time.
    With Obama around the terrorist have grown faster than ever. And to think Obama said AQ has been on the run. Oh and by the way here is your Joe.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Tragically the fact is that we can't run a 21st century economy on any green solution.
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    Tragically, that would be your opinion as I have found nothing to support that tired excuse. We have the technology to break the oil dependency cycle however are under the iron grasp of the oil/fossil fuel cartels whom also control all our politicians. The time to plan for this was four decades ago

    No more blood for oil.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    I say let the ISIS form their country.

    It will make it easier to issue a declaration of war against a country instead of trying to pick out individual targets
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