View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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    10 23.26%
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    what is the fraction, exactly?
    Hard to say, since funding is typically covert and changes frequently.

    Terrorism financing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Saudi Arabia's economy is 92.5 percent oil revenue.

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    if we were to transition from oil as a transportation fuel, then a lot fewer of our dollars would go to those who seek to funnel money to extremists.
    You can't infer from this that the majority of terrorist funding comes from oil, the funders have very diverse backgrounds. And this funding also comes from nations that aren't wealthy and have no oil deposits. Laundering through charities alone (often from western donors) is significant.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You can't infer from this that the majority of terrorist funding comes from oil, the funders have very diverse backgrounds. And this funding also comes from nations that aren't wealthy and have no oil deposits. Laundering through charities alone (often from western donors) is significant.
    The Taliban in Afghanistan got a substantial amount of funding from the opium yielding poppies they grew. They had Russian made AK's, which I'm sure came at bargain prices, they steal from the banks of towns they overrun and get some backing from terrorist states. Though, I have to agree with Helix that the Saudi's have probably been the single biggest monetary supporters according to Media sources for the Sunni's.

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates – Saudi Arabia and other petro-powerhouses of the Gulf for years encouraged a flow of private cash to Sunni rebels in Syria. Now an al-Qaida breakaway group that benefited from some of the funding has stormed across a wide swath of Iraq, and Gulf nations fear its extremism could be a threat to them as well.

    Those countries are now trying to put the brakes on the network of private fundraisers sending money to the rebel movement, hoping to halt the financing going to the radical Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. But at the same time, they sharply oppose any U.S. military assistance to Iraq's Shiite-led government aimed at stopping the extremists' rapid advance — and are furious at the possibility Washington could cooperate with their top rival Iran to help Iraq.
    After backing Sunni rebels in Syria, Gulf nations face blowback in militant campaign in Iraq | Fox News
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The Taliban in Afghanistan got a substantial amount of funding from the opium yielding poppies they grew. They had Russian made AK's, which I'm sure came at bargain prices, they steal from the banks of towns they overrun and get some backing from terrorist states. Though, I have to agree with Helix that the Saudi's have probably been the single biggest monetary supporters according to Media sources for the Sunni's.
    Yes, the opium trade has been beneficial to terrorists. And yes, Saudi Arabia is a major exporter of terrorism (financially, politically, and philosophically) however, that does not equate to the majority of funding coming from oil. Thats too simplistic and does not reflect the nature of the funding of terrorism, including non-islamic terror.

    We still see Islamic terrorism in nations with NO western presence, and with very little money (including from oil). So its about much more.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    And that will keep the terrorist from doing another 9-11 or worse.
    You do understand nothing we've done has stopped them from growing. It is likely the invasion of Iraq itself grew terrorist. We'll be seeing the fruits of that misguided effort for a long time.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yes, the opium trade has been beneficial to terrorists. And yes, Saudi Arabia is a major exporter of terrorism (financially, politically, and philosophically) however, that does not equate to the majority of funding coming from oil. Thats too simplistic and does not reflect the nature of the funding of terrorism, including non-islamic terror.
    They'll take money from any source they can get it, including criminal activities. Which for a bunch of religious zealots, is completely hypocritical of them and the US gov't, to say that 'it's ok to do the wrong thing for the right reasons'. Internment, water boarding, torture, preemptive or proactive killings/attacks. But the majority of money that the Gulf Arab states have is from their oil and that's what they give to backing terrorists groups with resources, weapons and artillery.

    It's not the only funding but in the case of the Sunni's it's probably the main flow. The Saudi's oil profits are basically an ATM for the rebels. Unless you know something more than the News outlets? Probably the biggest cash infusion they've gotten to date is $400 million from the Mosul Central Bank.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    They'll take money from any source they can get it, including criminal activities. Which for a bunch of religious zealots, is completely hypocritical of them and the US gov't, to say that 'it's ok to do the wrong thing for the right reasons'. Internment, water boarding, torture, preemptive or proactive killings/attacks. But the majority of money that the Gulf Arab states have is from their oil and that's what they give to backing terrorists groups with resources, weapons and artillery.

    It's not the only funding but in the case of the Sunni's it's probably the main flow. The Saudi's oil profits are basically an ATM for the rebels. Unless you know something more than the News outlets? Probably the biggest cash infusion they've gotten to date is $400 million from the Mosul Central Bank.
    Im not debating that there is a large amount of funding from the saudi's. Im saying its NOT just oil money, we see this elsewhere as well. An interesting fact about islam is that lying is seen as acceptable IF its done in Islams name. Over the centuries many adversaries were tricked by these lies and killed just after.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im not debating that there is a large amount of funding from the saudi's. Im saying its NOT just oil money, we see this elsewhere as well. An interesting fact about islam is that lying is seen as acceptable IF its done in Islams name. Over the centuries many adversaries were tricked by these lies and killed just after.
    Yea, that Mosul money I'm sure was petrol dollars. But I agree with you it's not all purely from oil funding.

    I asked my old man what made these people so vicious and looney, and he said uneducated and brainwashed with religion. Ignorance, hate and greed is the cause of most the unwarranted violence we see in the world.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yea, that Mosul money I'm sure was petrol dollars. But I agree with you it's not all purely from oil funding.

    I asked my old man what made these people so vicious and looney, and he said uneducated and brainwashed with religion. Ignorance, hate and greed is the cause of most the unwarranted violence we see in the world.
    They have always been this way, its like a living time machine looking back to the dark ages. They aren't going away.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They have always been this way, its like a living time machine looking back to the dark ages. They aren't going away.
    But our constant manipulating of that region for it's natural resources has finally caught up to us. By buying all that oil for so long, we've given those crazy desert rats the ability and munitions to fight us. For decades, they never attempted or had the ability to directly attack us and haven't been very successful since 9/11, but it's becoming a war of attrition and they may eventually get through again.

    If we could somehow, supply ourselves with enough oil, till we can become self sufficient and transition over to alternative energy, then maybe we could beef up our borders and self defense, until they eventually run out of money and go back to camel riding.
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