View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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  • Yes, with some amount of troops.

    3 6.98%
  • No, we'll stay out indefinitely.

    17 39.53%
  • We'll do minimalist advisers, air force and/or drone attacks.

    13 30.23%
  • It's a watch and wait situation for now.

    10 23.26%
  • Other (explain).

    3 6.98%
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    I'll say one thing about GHW Bush, he went in with 500K troops and beat the stuffing outta of the Iraqi military. That's how you do it to keep losses to a minimum and have a lasting effect.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, I'd settle for pulling our troops home and weaning ourselves off of foreign oil, then eventually all oil in 40-50 years.
    that would probably be the way it would have to happen. of course, that would mean not exporting in the interim.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I agree we should've been doing this since the 70's, when solar and electric technology was catching on. But we allowed the petroleum to dominate the energy needs of our nation, and now the time it will take to rebuild our infrastructure and switch everyone over to electric vehicles is years and years off.
    it will definitely be an investment. we will have to upgrade the grid significantly. i think that we should, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it will definitely be an investment. we will have to upgrade the grid significantly. i think that we should, though.
    We have to do it eventually, it's just of matter of the urgency at which we proceed. I believe natural gas will be a transition product for years, as ween off oil for power plants and switch automobiles into hybrids, fuel cells and electric.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I predict from the News sources info on ISIL/ISIS, we'll definitely have to do air strikes at minimum and probably ground forces. They're gathering too much momentum, causing too much of a conflagration in the ME/Levant and rumoring they'll start terror attacks on the US and Israel. All that and their increasing ability to affect oil markets and drawing in other surrounding Arab nations will put pressure on the US to react.

    They might settle down and organize the areas they have in control and leave it alone, but I doubt it because of their fundamentalist nature to spread extremism and conquer.
    To me, it doesn't look like the USA has made up its' mind "Who to support?" We sent arms from Benghazi, Libya to the ISIS in Syria. We armed al Maliki. We didn't provide satellite data or boots on the ground intelligence of this ISIS invasion beforehand and we certainly had that info. Kerry is talking to Kurds. Nobody is talking good about Maliki. The real deal is how it effects OIL production/supply/infrastructure to Western interests. That is what will actually determine the action taken. It will be whatever is the most profitable for Western Energy Corporations who are the people we went into Iraq to secure assets for. After all, bottom line, we are about CORPORATISM.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    To me, it doesn't look like the USA has made up its' mind "Who to support?" We sent arms from Benghazi, Libya to the ISIS in Syria. We armed al Maliki. We didn't provide satellite data or boots on the ground intelligence of this ISIS invasion beforehand and we certainly had that info. Kerry is talking to Kurds. Nobody is talking good about Maliki. The real deal is how it effects OIL production/supply/infrastructure to Western interests. That is what will actually determine the action taken. It will be whatever is the most profitable for Western Energy Corporations who are the people we went into Iraq to secure assets for. After all, bottom line, we are about CORPORATISM.
    That's actually the most frustrating part of that area that today's ally is tomorrows enemy. We should've stuck to manipulating their dictators for resource purposes instead of playing "nation building".

    It's more about economic viability than just corporate interests. If people have to pay an absorbent amount at the pumps, it will tank the rest of the economic recovery. The gov't, corporations and populace are all intertwined, and though the executives think their wealth will insulate them from the effects of their greedy ways, it won't indefinitely.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    We have to do it eventually, it's just of matter of the urgency at which we proceed. I believe natural gas will be a transition product for years, as ween off oil for power plants and switch automobiles into hybrids, fuel cells and electric.
    you're probably right, but i sure hope not. NG should be used for home heating. the increase in demand if it's used more for transportation will cause the price to rise significantly, and will effectively be a regressive tax.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you're probably right, but i sure hope not. NG should be used for home heating. the increase in demand if it's used more for transportation will cause the price to rise significantly, and will effectively be a regressive tax.
    I've seen some cities use NG for their buses but I don't believe it would be used for most vehicles. Most likely it could be used in place of coal plants. Apparently, it's becoming a very abundant energy source with all the fracking.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I support pulling all troops out of that part of the world, and then weaning ourselves off of oil.
    And that will keep the terrorist from doing another 9-11 or worse.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    We have to do it eventually, it's just of matter of the urgency at which we proceed. I believe natural gas will be a transition product for years, as ween off oil for power plants and switch automobiles into hybrids, fuel cells and electric.
    And that will keep the terrorist from hating us and doing another 9-11.
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