View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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  • Yes, with some amount of troops.

    3 6.98%
  • No, we'll stay out indefinitely.

    17 39.53%
  • We'll do minimalist advisers, air force and/or drone attacks.

    13 30.23%
  • It's a watch and wait situation for now.

    10 23.26%
  • Other (explain).

    3 6.98%
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The damage has been done. Doubling down on the same mistake just makes things worse in the long run. You can't maintain public support for this in any democracy, and the effort creates even more of the same.

    And no, as I've shown many times before, the large scale killing had been long done. We waited until it was done and added injury to injury. We did Iraqis no favor by invading.
    The Iraqi's were not the only reason why we invaded.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We have many unfunded wars, including the endless wars on poverty and drugs. It is interesting how you choose to determine what causes the deficit.
    it's not completely for the sake of the deficit. it's mostly to make war extremely unpalatable for all taxpayers so that they are even more reluctant to support it.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    If you want to go to Iraq you have my permission to go there right now.




    But the USA need to stay away from that place unless an attack is launched on the USA from there, In which case we need to do whatever we have to do.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Takes oil to make gas. Takes gas to run my car. My car makes me happy.
    i like cars, too. and Jeeps, and motorcycles. i don't like that we are beholden to every tinpot dictator who happens to be sitting on a pool of oil. i also recognize that oil is a finite resource, and that we will eventually have to rethink our transportation energy model. i'd rather do it now than at the last minute.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The Iraqi's were not the only reason why we invaded.
    Never said it was. But none of anything else, separately or together justified our invading.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's not completely for the sake of the deficit. it's mostly to make war extremely unpalatable for all taxpayers so that they are even more reluctant to support it.
    The same applies to the war on poverty or the war on drugs. The idea that social spending for income redistribution schemes or stimulus projects is perfectly fine to fund using debt but that national defense is not is quite a stretch. I am no fan of the US playing world policeman or to engage in nation building/regime change but trying to make different funding rules for specific federal powers is not likely to happen. I disagree with the idea of mandatory/discretionary federal spending as it is. Our congress critters ignore the "pay as you go" law/rule and now simply declare any excess spending as being for "crisis" or "emergency" purposes.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The same applies to the war on poverty or the war on drugs. The idea that social spending for income redistribution schemes or stimulus projects is perfectly fine to fund using debt but that national defense is not is quite a stretch. I am no fan of the US playing world policeman or to engage in nation building/regime change but trying to make different funding rules for specific federal powers is not likely to happen. I disagree with the idea of mandatory/discretionary federal spending as it is. Our congress critters ignore the "pay as you go" law/rule and now simply declare any excess spending as being for "crisis" or "emergency" purposes.
    i'm fine with social safety nets. the WoD as it stands, not so much.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i like cars, too. and Jeeps, and motorcycles. i don't like that we are beholden to every tinpot dictator who happens to be sitting on a pool of oil. i also recognize that oil is a finite resource, and that we will eventually have to rethink our transportation energy model. i'd rather do it now than at the last minute.
    We have enough for my life time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I think Israel is much more in danger of a nuke than we are (even getting on close would be hard, but not impossible), but the bigger point is they would if they could. AQ actually captured a major airport in Pakistan recently, a nuclear power.

    My solution (of course Im no expert) would be a fighting force minimally supported by the US-one that fights the way arabs do-meaning like how assad and saddam and Iran fight-without the PC rules of engagement of western nations. This is proven effective against terrorists, and we dont take the casualties or headlines of bombing an entire city block. The us presence would be behind this force, mainly to provide intelligence and air cover, and for maintaining a presence AFTER areas are cleared by the Iraqi military. We should dissolve shia militias, which would diminish fears of reprisal by sunni civilians while minimizing Iran's presence. If Iran wants to fight, let them do it through Syria. Our timelines should be based on outcomes, not a calendar. And frankly, I think we should do the same in Afghanistan.

    None of this is easy. None of this will be entirely safe for anyone, including us. None of this is politically popular (until the next attack here in the US). But we need to be up front and clear in our goals and own it-because this problem is enveloping the world and WILL get worse. Id rather fight them there, where they are attracted like bugs to light, than here. This war wont end like WW2, it wont have a clear ending, and it will be with us for decades to come, frankly.


    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I voted "watch and wait." Not because I necessarily think that's what we ought to do, but because that's pretty typical of Obama. He'll get in a round of golf or 20, wait to see what happens, then do whatever he feels will help him out most, politically.

    This is becoming a rapidly deteriorating situation. There is a growing risk of the violence spreading into Jordan and other neighboring countries.

    The U.S. needs to target ISIS supply lines in Iraq and ISIS command and control facilities inside Syria. There are clearly identifiable targets that could be hit with maximum effectiveness and minimum risk to civilians.





    The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham is threatening to take control of Balad Airbase, Iraq’s largest airfield and one of America’s most important military outposts during its occupation of the country.

    Today, Balad still has plenty of vehicles and aircraft on the base that any terrorist group would covet, including Russian-made transport helicopters, surveillance planes, and a fleet of pickup trucks fitted with heavy machine guns.

    Now, that airbase is coming under fire—and is in danger of falling into the hands of ISIS, according to U.S. intelligence officers, internal reports from Balad, and outside analysts. Reuters reported Wednesday that the base was now surrounded on three sides by insurgents and taking heavy mortar fire.

    ISIS Tries to Grab Its Own Air Force

    Sunni militants have fought for a week to take over Iraq's largest oil refinery in Beiji, north of Baghdad.

    The refinery is located in the heart of the Sunni-dominated areas in northern Iraq, where the militants have swallowed large swaths of land since June 10. Along with a nearby power plant, the refinery supplies Iraq with a third of its refined fuel and nearly a tenth of its electricity, according to Barclays analysts.

    Iraq militants launch fresh raid on oil refinery

    ISIS is not yet capable of carrying out its threat to attack the U.S. and President Obama wants to "make sure that they never can," Secretary of State John Kerry told ABC News today.

    The leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has made threats to attack Americans and other western countries, and Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron recently said he fears ISIS is a danger to the West. But when asked whether ISIS has the ability to strike the U.S., Kerry said, "Not yet."

    "Certainly one of the considerations we have is to make sure that they never can. But that's exactly what the president is busy trying to determine now, is: What is the best way to approach that so that we are most effective and, frankly, in a way that is sustainable over the long haul?" he said.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I predict from the News sources info on ISIL/ISIS, we'll definitely have to do air strikes at minimum and probably ground forces. They're gathering too much momentum, causing too much of a conflagration in the ME/Levant and rumoring they'll start terror attacks on the US and Israel. All that and their increasing ability to affect oil markets and drawing in other surrounding Arab nations will put pressure on the US to react.

    They might settle down and organize the areas they have in control and leave it alone, but I doubt it because of their fundamentalist nature to spread extremism and conquer.
    We should not waste any more American lives and money on any country.American lives and money are worth more than the lives of foreigners.
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