View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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  • Yes, with some amount of troops.

    3 6.98%
  • No, we'll stay out indefinitely.

    17 39.53%
  • We'll do minimalist advisers, air force and/or drone attacks.

    13 30.23%
  • It's a watch and wait situation for now.

    10 23.26%
  • Other (explain).

    3 6.98%
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hardly. You're just now seeing the fruits of Bush's labor.
    Who has been out of office for over 5 years. Nice try.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no more unfunded wars. tax rates should go up for everyone during time of war, including the lower socioeconomic classes. for the wealthiest, the rates should be nearly confiscatory; 70+ percent, and investment income should be taxed as income.

    right now, no one fights the hawks when they sign us up for a new war, because those of us who don't go don't have to pay anything. there's even somewhat of an incentive for war, because a major industry makes money from it. when troops are deployed, everyone should have to make a financial sacrifice. war should be completely economically unappealing, and this should provide an incentive to only use it as a last resort.

    it's funny how the right forgets about fiscal responsibility when the discussion turns to war. **** that. no more unfunded wars. we should enact wartime tax rates every time we engage in a military action, and they should stay in place until the troops come home.
    We have many unfunded wars, including the endless wars on poverty and drugs. It is interesting how you choose to determine what causes the deficit.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Who has been out of office for over 5 years. Nice try.
    Why do you think that matters? Did he all of the sudden stop being the one who invaded Iraq? 100 years from now, he'll still be the one who created this problem.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I support pulling all troops out of that part of the world, and then weaning ourselves off of oil.
    Takes oil to make gas. Takes gas to run my car. My car makes me happy.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why do you think that matters? Did he all of the sudden stop being the one who invaded Iraq? 100 years from now, he'll still be the one who created this problem.
    Subjective on the "created this problem". Saddam you find no fault with?

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Subjective on the "created this problem". Saddam you find no fault with?
    Saddam, bastard that he was, did not warrant our reckless actions. And no, it's not all that subjective. Some actions have very predictable results. And these were predicted. Many had foresight long before Bush lost his mind and invaded.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Saddam, bastard that he was, did not warrant our reckless actions. And no, it's not all that subjective. Some actions have very predictable results. And these were predicted. Many had foresight long before Bush lost his mind and invaded.
    Didn't lose his mind, it was well though out. But he should have stopped at "mission accomplished" instead of go on a nation building binge.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Didn't lose his mind, it was well though out. But he should have stopped at "mission accomplished" instead of go on a nation building binge.
    No, he lost his mind. He made OBL profit, gave cause to recruit others, destabilized Iraq, and made possible the real life training of those who will kill for decades to come. It was a foolish decision by the decider.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, he lost his mind. He made OBL profit, gave cause to recruit others, destabilized Iraq, and made possible the real life training of those who will kill for decades to come. It was a foolish decision by the decider.
    Lets just say you have a point. People are still being killed in Iraq and Obama is president. Right now nothing that is happening has much if anything to do with Bush.
    Had there been no US and coalition intervention, there would be killing on a grand scale in Iraq. Just Saddam and his sons would be doing the killing.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Lets just say you have a point. People are still being killed in Iraq and Obama is president. Right now nothing that is happening has much if anything to do with Bush.
    Had there been no US and coalition intervention, there would be killing on a grand scale in Iraq. Just Saddam and his sons would be doing the killing.
    The damage has been done. Doubling down on the same mistake just makes things worse in the long run. You can't maintain public support for this in any democracy, and the effort creates even more of the same.

    And no, as I've shown many times before, the large scale killing had been long done. We waited until it was done and added injury to injury. We did Iraqis no favor by invading.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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