View Poll Results: Back to Iraq?

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  • Yes, with some amount of troops.

    3 6.98%
  • No, we'll stay out indefinitely.

    17 39.53%
  • We'll do minimalist advisers, air force and/or drone attacks.

    13 30.23%
  • It's a watch and wait situation for now.

    10 23.26%
  • Other (explain).

    3 6.98%
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Agreed. If there isn't shared sacrifice, it's pretty easy to be pro-war.
    Not only that but if there is no declaration of war, the United States can not legally justify military intervention.
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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The Iraq war was poorly sold-too much emphasis was placed on particular threats, and not enough on the long term plan. We were fully justified in going to war there, for many reasons beyond wmd's. The American public was told it this would not be a short term thing-that we are in it for the long haul, though I understand people being war weary. That said, after a long war, to abandon that nation and to leave it to the same wolves we are fighting elsewhere makes no sense. I care about the US much more than those nations-but we can't allow our fatigue to make this a failed war. We've gone too far, and the threats are as serious if not more so than they were in 2001. Im not saying we should write a blank check in perpetuity about our presence, but as of now its the smart play.

    I see us staying there as proof that we actually care about the nations we go to war with. Its been said that the best thing to happen to some nations is to be militarily engaged with the US-because it means within a few decades they will have a much improved life and we will buy their cars. We should fight to help those that we have left there.
    Just a damn shame that there is no "raspberry button."

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Not only that but if there is no declaration of war, the United States can not legally justify military intervention.
    Thats not entirely true, there is some discretion to POTUS regarding this, and often politicians call military intervention things like conflicts to get around that. Military intervention does not equal war.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    That said, after a long war, to abandon that nation and to leave it to the same wolves we are fighting elsewhere makes no sense. I care about the US much more than those nations-but we can't allow our fatigue to make this a failed war. We've gone too far, and the threats are as serious if not more so than they were in 2001. Im not saying we should write a blank check in perpetuity about our presence, but as of now its the smart play.
    That same sort of logic kept us in Vietnam. Iraq is going to need to stand up on its own, or it will fall no matter what we do.

    You didn't answer my question about how to prevent the jihadists from simply fading into the background for a few years, and then re-emerging when we leave again. The long game works in their favor, not ours.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Just a damn shame that there is no "raspberry button."
    I have no idea what that means.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no more unfunded wars. tax rates should go up for everyone during time of war, including the lower socioeconomic classes. for the wealthiest, the rates should be nearly confiscatory; 70+ percent, and investment income should be taxed as income.

    right now, no one fights the hawks when they sign us up for a new war, because those of us who don't go don't have to pay anything. there's even somewhat of an incentive for war, because a major industry makes money from it. when troops are deployed, everyone should have to make a financial sacrifice. war should be completely economically unappealing, and this should provide an incentive to only use it as a last resort.

    it's funny how the right forgets about fiscal responsibility when the discussion turns to war. **** that. no more unfunded wars. we should enact wartime tax rates every time we engage in a military action, and they should stay in place until the troops come home.
    So you want to punish people for not doing what you'd like. And you manage to sneak class struggle in there as well. Clearly an "independent" mindset.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Agreed. If there isn't shared sacrifice, it's pretty easy to be pro-war.
    We didn't ask to be attacked on 9/11. So we went in to do something about it.

    Spare me your "shared sacrifice" mythology. Why are lefties so eager to use govt to punish people?

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So you want to punish people for not doing what you'd like. And you manage to sneak class struggle in there as well. Clearly an "independent" mindset.
    no, i want war to be damned unappealing to those who sign us up for it, and i want some serious pressure put on the hawks by everyone else. the way to do that is to hit everyone in the wallet every time we go to war. then we will only go to war as a last resort.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We didn't ask to be attacked on 9/11. So we went in to do something about it.
    This may come as a surprise, but Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And the American public had to be sold on the war with a two-year campaign of propaganda and misinformation.

    Maybe if Bush had said, 'By the way, we're going to have to raise taxes' people would have been less inclined to support the invasion. And I'm sure that was discussed by the Bush Administration.

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    Re: Back to Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    With Obama around the terrorist have grown faster than ever. And to think Obama said AQ has been on the run. Oh and by the way here is your Joe.

    Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller
    Hardly. You're just now seeing the fruits of Bush's labor.

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