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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Apologies. This has been done:
    Thank you.

    The point about corporate tax loopholes is that you're portraying businesses as though they're victimized by the situation. I was using corporate tax loopholes as an example that corporations suffering in this country is simply not true.
    And I contend that tax loopholes are irrelevant. There is great harm to businesses from this proposal:

    Many businesses won't be able to afford the cost of paying an employee to do nothing. Many businesses don't earn the profits to absorb that cost. Many businesses are not able to raise prices to make up the additional costs without losing customers. This can only result in adverse effects on the businesses and/or their employees.

    Again, you referred to paid parental leave as "hurting" the company, despite the fact that companies based in every other first world country get along fine while paying for parental leave of their employees.
    Something that everyone learns sooner or later is that doing something "just because the neighbors do it" is a stupid way to run their lives. The same is true for countries.

    Regarding the decisions between the employer/employee, what makes the company more deserving of profits than they can get along fine without than a worker who needs paid parental leave to remain economically stable.
    Good God!!, but you are an arrogant SOB to think that YOU know better whether a company can "get along fine" without their profits!! That's that liberal/progressive/Democrat "I know better than YOU do" attitude.

    By "negotiate," I assume you were referring to collective bargaining, but since you weren't, the employee won't have anyone sticking up for them, so unless the employer is unusually generous, they're not getting paid parental leave.
    By "negotiate", I was referring to the normal course of events...interview, offer, counter-offer, discussion, ultimate agreement or disagreement...that is a part of any decision to employ or be employed.

    How does getting the government involved "screw everything up?" Companies that give paid parental leave are at a competitive disadvantage, just as companies that pay their workers a higher wage than the minimum wage are at a competitive disadvantage. If everyone is required to give employees paid parental leave, those who are already providing it will no longer be at a competitive disadvantage. How does that qualify as the government screwing things up
    A company that decides, for themselves, to offer an employee paid parental leave is not necessarily at a competitive disadvantage. It may very well be worth their while...and advantageous to their bottom line...to incorporate those costs. But the key is that it is left to the company to decide. When the government starts dictating, you've now taken the decision away from the company. As I've said before, there will be adverse effects on many companies. THAT is how the government is screwing things up.

    The reason I brought up taxes is that you said you oppose the idea of a government mandate such as this one, yet taxes are a government mandate upon citizens, and are preferably used for wealth redistribution.
    Again, I contend that "taxes" is irrelevant. Now...if you had brought up Obamacare, then you WOULD be making a relevant point...but still a bad one. This proposal is not requiring a business to pay money to the government...as in taxes. It is more like Obamacare in that it is requiring businesses to buy something they may or may not want...that is an extra benefit for their employee. As I've said before...while still a bad idea, you would be more honest to advocate for an increase in taxes and the creation of another government entitlement...paid parental leave.

    And lastly, how is supporting a paid parental leave mandate go against democratic or republican values?
    Well...I didn't say anything about democratic or republican values, so I won't answer a strawman question. I DID say that this proposal is nothing more than the government becoming a dictatorship...demanding that a business spend money on something they may or may not want to buy. We have entirely too much of this kind of thing already. Witness Obamacare.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Absolutely. Many women are forced to abandon their careers in order to have children or at least take a significant hit to. If family really is such an important value in this country, we shouldn't make it such a hardship for working women to also have families.

    Every other western nation enforces paid maternity leave, and they benefit from it tremendously.
    Typical liberal view...I want something, that means I deserve it, that means others should pay for it.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?
    Only if your objective is to get employers to stop hiring women between the ages of 20 and 35.

    A better altenative would be to let parents to split the maternity leave between them any way they see fit.
    Biological needs means the mother has to take the first week or so, but after that the dad is quite capable of providing nurture and care.

    Problems solved through freedom of choice are perferable to random politically motivated social engineering.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Does anyone on this forum have any idea why the birthrate in the USA is so low?
    Selfishness and the "me, now" attitude of young people, starting with the baby boomer generation.

    I'm hopeful that the next generation will believe more in family and children as assets worth accumulating.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Typical liberal view..
    .I want something, that means I deserve it, that means others should pay for it.



    If the USA wants to increase the birth rate in all demographic groups it's going to have to start paying maternity leave to all women.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's not a valid rationale for the federal government requiring companies pay for months of work that is not done.


    why hire a woman if you know you'll have to shell out months and months of pay for .. nothing?

    hire a man instead... no need to take a loss, no need to replace that worker when she's with child... and the man will probably be denied those benefits anyways ( while we pretend to be against discrimination.)
    The unfortunate reality is, this is exactly what will happen if the US companies are forced to pay for a very long materity leave. Today most big employers already do it. Most pay for 6 weeks (8 if you have a c-section) already, and you can legally take as much as 6 months unpaid leave and still keep your job. Most "career" women already work for these employers so the people who think that women have to give up their "careers" to have a baby are mistaken, unless you consider waitressing or something similar a career.

    A knee jerk reaction will be exactly what you suggested which is people will attempt to hire men, consciously or subconsciously.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the USA wants to increase the birth rate in all demographic groups it's going to have to start paying maternity leave to all women.
    Maybe, but I don't want the birth rate to rise.

    Immigration is that answer.

    There are hundreds of millions of children (and their parents) who would be great, contributing citizens and who would love to become Americans.

    A baby is a baby...no matter where they were born.



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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    If an American woman wants a child, she should pay for 'it' herself/her and her partner.

    If she/they can't, she shouldn't have 'it'.

    If she doesn't like it...tough.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far in this thread is the impact of such a move on over all employment, not just employment of females. Let's not forget that the Obamacare employer mandate, which has been delayed for a year, kicks in later this year or early next, if not delayed again, and that is a negative driver against employment at the fringes because it boosts the cost to companies of each employee. If you try to add that mandate and then pile on another mandate, you end up trying to make businesses your engines of social benefits/change and they will simply be forced to seek lower cost solutions - i.e. fewer young women and fewer employees period.

    If you want to provide, as a society, all kinds of social welfare benefits as other countries do, like Canada; you're going to have to start taxing more people at the federal level and eliminating more tax loopholes for everyone. You cannot have almost 50% of your working public paying no federal income taxes and expect to have social benefits similar to nations like Canada who have a far lesser number of working citizens not paying income taxes. It's pretty simple.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So when someone says personal responsibility in not getting pregnant, you jump to abortion. Interesting.
    I did not. I only said it was a right. Which at this time it is.

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