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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There are other definitions. One, perhaps the most important, is where the government controls businesses through regulations. That is what we have in the US.
    [citation needed]

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?
    Absolutely! The u.s. is too separated from the rest of the world, we're like the country version of an angsty teen who rejects everything their parents do.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by liberalgirl View Post
    Absolutely! The u.s. is too separated from the rest of the world, we're like the country version of an angsty teen who rejects everything their parents do.

    that's not a valid rationale for the federal government requiring companies pay for months of work that is not done.


    why hire a woman if you know you'll have to shell out months and months of pay for .. nothing?

    hire a man instead... no need to take a loss, no need to replace that worker when she's with child... and the man will probably be denied those benefits anyways ( while we pretend to be against discrimination.)

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Never said it was. Just saying life happens.

    So when someone says personal responsibility in not getting pregnant, you jump to abortion. Interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    They can show some personal responsibility and not get pregnant. Make an adult decision on what is important to them. Child, or career?
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    So a woman has the right to an abortion?
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So when someone says personal responsibility in not getting pregnant, you jump to abortion. Interesting.
    Make an adult decision on what is important to them. Child, or career?
    --Asking is that implying does a woman have a right to an abortion --


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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    The point about corporate tax loopholes is that you're portraying businesses as though they're victimized by the situation. I was using corporate tax loopholes as an example that corporations suffering in this country is simply not true. Again, you referred to paid parental leave as "hurting" the company, despite the fact that companies based in every other first world country get along fine while paying for parental leave of their employees. Regarding the decisions between the employer/employee, what makes the company more deserving of profits than they can get along fine without than a worker who needs paid parental leave to remain economically stable. By "negotiate," I assume you were referring to collective bargaining, but since you weren't, the employee won't have anyone sticking up for them, so unless the employer is unusually generous, they're not getting paid parental leave. How does getting the government involved "screw everything up?" Companies that give paid parental leave are at a competitive disadvantage, just as companies that pay their workers a higher wage than the minimum wage are at a competitive disadvantage. If everyone is required to give employees paid parental leave, those who are already providing it will no longer be at a competitive disadvantage. How does that qualify as the government screwing things up? The reason I brought up taxes is that you said you oppose the idea of a government mandate such as this one, yet taxes are a government mandate upon citizens, and are preferably used for wealth redistribution. And lastly, how is supporting a paid parental leave mandate go against democratic or republican values?
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If you are trying to drive me away from this discussion by posting that wall of text response to me, you've succeeded.

    Reformat the above screed into a readable and logical missive and I'll respond.
    Apologies. This has been done:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If you don't like corporate loopholes, then do something about THAT. Don't try to use it as justification for screwing businesses over.
    The point about corporate tax loopholes is that you're portraying businesses as though they're victimized by the situation. I was using corporate tax loopholes as an example that corporations suffering in this country is simply not true.

    No there isn't. Both things are the result of personal choice of the individual.



    Well, you are right on this one. If a company has to pay an employee to not do any work, that's going to hurt the company. The employee will be watching TV on their own time.
    Again, you referred to paid parental leave as "hurting" the company, despite the fact that companies based in every other first world country get along fine while paying for parental leave of their employees.

    So would the individual making wise decisions...like not having a baby...or buying a TV...unless they can afford it.



    All that may be true...but that is a decision arrived at between the employer and the employee. The government has no business mandating that companies spend money...just because the EMPLOYEE wants a benefit.
    Regarding the decisions between the employer/employee, what makes the company more deserving of profits than they can get along fine without than a worker who needs paid parental leave to remain economically stable.

    Collective bargaining?? What the hell does THAT have to do with anything?
    By "negotiate," I assume you were referring to collective bargaining, but since you weren't, the employee won't have anyone sticking up for them, so unless the employer is unusually generous, they're not getting paid parental leave.

    You really don't know anything about business, do you? All companies are subject to falling under a competitive disadvantage...or advantage...depending on decisions they make. That's the way it works. Don't screw things up by getting the government involved.
    How does getting the government involved "screw everything up?" Companies that give paid parental leave are at a competitive disadvantage, just as companies that pay their workers a higher wage than the minimum wage are at a competitive disadvantage. If everyone is required to give employees paid parental leave, those who are already providing it will no longer be at a competitive disadvantage. How does that qualify as the government screwing things up

    Mandating that a business pay for the personal choice of a private citizen is not a tax. It is simply government issuing dictates. Taxes have nothing to do with this issue.
    The reason I brought up taxes is that you said you oppose the idea of a government mandate such as this one, yet taxes are a government mandate upon citizens, and are preferably used for wealth redistribution.

    Look, you are twisting, spinning and flying in the breeze trying to justify the government acting as a dictator. It's not working.
    And lastly, how is supporting a paid parental leave mandate go against democratic or republican values?

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Make an adult decision on what is important to them. Child, or career?
    --Asking is that implying does a woman have a right to an abortion --
    it is kinda weird that you jumped right to abortion... I mean you jumped right over birth control without batting an eye.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Another reason not to hire straight women. Lesbians rarely get pregnant.
    If you only hire lesbians, men, and women that are not of child bearing age the problem is solved.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Does anyone on this forum have any idea why the birthrate in the USA is so low?

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