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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    'MURICA! Also, Papau New Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Swaziland!

    Is there a link to that, hard to believe many of those countries, some that don't even have a minimum wage or workplace safety standards require paid maternity leave.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?
    I stand to be corrected, but Canada is a member of the industrialized world and we don't have mandatory paid maternity leave, paid for by companies. We do have mandatory "parental" leave - mother or father can take it - 17 weeks I believe, but that might have increased by now - and employees who have sick leave or vacation benefits are entitled to use them and they are also entitled to collect unemployment insurance for time they take off - mother or father - if they don't have sick time/vacation time. In all cases, the employees job is to be protected and they are entitled to return to it or a similar or better position when they return.

    There are, however, lots of companies who provide better than mandated paternity benefits, which is their right and good on them. Mandating businesses to fully pay employees who are off on maternity leave would, in my opinion, make it harder for women of child bearing age to make it into the upper levels of management, even more so than they may experience without it.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I stand to be corrected, but Canada is a member of the industrialized world and we don't have mandatory paid maternity leave, paid for by companies. We do have mandatory "parental" leave - mother or father can take it - 17 weeks I believe, but that might have increased by now - and employees who have sick leave or vacation benefits are entitled to use them and they are also entitled to collect unemployment insurance for time they take off - mother or father - if they don't have sick time/vacation time. In all cases, the employees job is to be protected and they are entitled to return to it or a similar or better position when they return.

    There are, however, lots of companies who provide better than mandated paternity benefits, which is their right and good on them. Mandating businesses to fully pay employees who are off on maternity leave would, in my opinion, make it harder for women of child bearing age to make it into the upper levels of management, even more so than they may experience without it.
    I knew that image was bull****. Our Family Leave Act allows for 12 weeks.

    http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave?
    No. But I wish the monster would join the rest of the world and leave my country alone. He has damaged this country, possibly beyond repair. I wish only the worst for him.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I knew that image was bull****. Our Family Leave Act allows for 12 weeks.

    http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/
    I'm not sure what the Phys251 image refers to when it says "paid maternity leave". Since it is copyrighted to McGill - a university in Montreal - I presume they have the Canadian one right at between 26-51 weeks but I stand by the fact that it is not paid for by companies - in most cases, the woman or man who takes the leave is entitled to unemployment insurance while off - that's a small percentage of what an average employee may make and it isn't coming from the employer. It's possible, and likely in a lot of cases, that companies top up that unemployment amount to help the employee stay "whole" while off.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?
    I just changed my answer. No. I don't think companies should be required to provide paid maternity leave. Big companies may attract more talented people with this policy . . . and that's the way it should be. Not mandated. Offered.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh...are you saying that a big reason people get abortions is because they can't afford to have a baby? And that the solution is to place that cost on the backs of businesses?
    Yes. That is well known and relatively accepted that people get abortions because they can't afford to have a baby. As proven by the map posted earlier, businesses still exist and do just fine in nations with paid leave.

    Yep...typical liberal ignorance.
    Ha. Not a liberal. Not even close.

    The overriding hallmark of a liberal is the belief that government should be all-powerful...that government can...and should...provide a solution to every individual's problems. So, yes...Obama is a liberal.
    "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understandings of these principles, but they generally support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."

    Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nothing about "big government." Let's please use the actual definitions of ideologies, as opposed to the perverted American definition. Like other liberals, Obama embraces economic deregulation and privatization. Yes, he fits into the definition of liberal, but that in no way means he believes in "big government," which is an utterly meaningless phrase. The size and role of government is in no way relevant to political discussion.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Is there a link to that, hard to believe many of those countries, some that don't even have a minimum wage or workplace safety standards require paid maternity leave.
    A Map of Maternity Leave Policies Around the World - Rebecca J. Rosen - The Atlantic

    Not exactly the same as the map posted; there's a few differences among third world countries, but the point still stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I knew that image was bull****. Our Family Leave Act allows for 12 weeks.

    http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/
    family leave=/=paid family leave

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Yes. That is well known and relatively accepted that people get abortions because they can't afford to have a baby. As proven by the map posted earlier, businesses still exist and do just fine in nations with paid leave.



    Ha. Not a liberal. Not even close.



    "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understandings of these principles, but they generally support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."

    Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nothing about "big government." Let's please use the actual definitions of ideologies, as opposed to the perverted American definition. Like other liberals, Obama embraces economic deregulation and privatization. Yes, he fits into the definition of liberal, but that in no way means he believes in "big government," which is an utterly meaningless phrase. The size and role of government is in no way relevant to political discussion.
    I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what a liberal, by definition, is. Heck, LIBERALS call themselves liberals...until it turns into a dirty word, then they call themselves progressives...so I'll call them liberals. And, yes...Obama, his Democrat buddies and his supporters are liberals.

    Anyway...back on topic. Why do you liberals want to place the cost of consequences of individual choices on the backs of businesses? Do you think those businesses are a bottomless money-bag that you can raid for your feel-good social agenda items? You would be more honest is you just raised taxes and let the government pay for it...but it still wouldn't be the right thing to do.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I stand to be corrected, but Canada is a member of the industrialized world and we don't have mandatory paid maternity leave, paid for by companies. We do have mandatory "parental" leave - mother or father can take it - 17 weeks I believe, but that might have increased by now - and employees who have sick leave or vacation benefits are entitled to use them and they are also entitled to collect unemployment insurance for time they take off - mother or father - if they don't have sick time/vacation time. In all cases, the employees job is to be protected and they are entitled to return to it or a similar or better position when they return.

    There are, however, lots of companies who provide better than mandated paternity benefits, which is their right and good on them. Mandating businesses to fully pay employees who are off on maternity leave would, in my opinion, make it harder for women of child bearing age to make it into the upper levels of management, even more so than they may experience without it.
    In Canada you have the 17 weeks and then the government pays one or both of the parents.
    "On top of mandating maternity leave, the government offers paid leave for one or both parents through Canada's employment insurance plan. A pregnant employee or new mother can take a paid maternity leave of up to 15 weeks. " Maternity Leave Basics: Canada Vs. The U.S.


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