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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes. It is an absolute travesty that women have to give up on careers in order to have a family... I would think that those that favour private enterprise would actually want this as it promotes the best people for the job.
    Is it a "travesty" that a woman who smokes or a woman who drinks would find it in her...and the child's...best interest if she gives up those activities? And what of the women who do NOT choose to give them up? It is the same with the choice of how to deal with a career when starting a family. It is simply a choice that each individual mother must make.

    I find it to be more of a travesty that Obama, his buddies and bleeding-heart liberals in general want to make this whole parental leave issue a convenient political football that they hope will help them in the upcoming election...and that they would even consider dictating to individuals and businesses about how they should spend their money.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes. It is an absolute travesty that women have to give up on careers in order to have a family... I would think that those that favour private enterprise would actually want this as it promotes the best people for the job.
    Why was it never a travesty for men to do the same?

    The way private enterprise works is that if something promotes the best people for the job then the enterprise will pay for maternity leave. Mandating it by fovernment force merely hurts private enterprise and discourages the best people for the job

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Why was it never a travesty for men to do the same?

    The way private enterprise works is that if something promotes the best people for the job then the enterprise will pay for maternity leave. Mandating it by fovernment force merely hurts private enterprise and discourages the best people for the job
    I can not think of any reason as to why a company would find a compelling interest in promoting population growth in general.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Is it a "travesty" that a woman who smokes or a woman who drinks would find it in her...and the child's...best interest if she gives up those activities? And what of the women who do NOT choose to give them up? It is the same with the choice of how to deal with a career when starting a family. It is simply a choice that each individual mother must make.

    I find it to be more of a travesty that Obama, his buddies and bleeding-heart liberals in general want to make this whole parental leave issue a convenient political football that they hope will help them in the upcoming election...and that they would even consider dictating to individuals and businesses about how they should spend their money.
    Am I missing something or is that whole post nothing more than one huge Straw Man?
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Why was it never a travesty for men to do the same?

    The way private enterprise works is that if something promotes the best people for the job then the enterprise will pay for maternity leave. Mandating it by fovernment force merely hurts private enterprise and discourages the best people for the job
    I don't understand your point about men and your argument is illogical because what works best for private enterprise does not always work best for society...
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Not just yes, but hell yes. The results would be nothing positive for everyone.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't understand your point about men and your argument is illogical because what works best for private enterprise does not always work best for society...
    Men have had to sacrifice family for career for ages.

    Nothing works for society. Society is just an abstract concept

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?
    Hmm...

    As with many issues, I find myself indecisive.

    On the one hand, I see the benifit to having paid maternity leave - so long as the woman does not abuse it, it allows her to have a child and retain her position, returning to continue her career at after the birth.

    On the other hand, the company is without her services for the length of the maternity leave (unless some form of working from home exists, and then it's not really "leave", is it?).

    In short, it appears to me that maternity leave is basically the same thing as paid sick leave - only available to those employees which the company wants to retain.

    If we're talking a more physical labor type job, perhaps packing boxes or some such, the company has very little incentive to retain an employee who is basically taking extended sick leave. Depending on staffing, they might need to hire a new person anyway.
    Especially in high-turnover jobs, unless the person is extremely good at the job, there is little reason.

    And in the end, if you force the companies to do so anyway, they WILL pass the costs on to their customers, causing prices to go up.

    All that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea though.

    And in some ways, being able to effectively "plan" a "sick leave" period would be a positive - if you know a given employee will be "sick" for a relatively set period of time, it makes staffing decisions easier.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Am I missing something or is that whole post nothing more than one huge Straw Man?
    Not a strawman at all. Just discussing travesties.

    You see travesties...I see choices. It's that simple.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Men have had to sacrifice family for career for ages.

    Nothing works for society. Society is just an abstract concept
    The interactions of people's are not abstract... they are 100% tangible.

    And men sacrificing for ages is an Appeal to Tradition fallacy...
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