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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Why shouldn't we do things that are good for the benefit of society? It's been proven through history that prohibition does more harm than good and fails to eliminate the presence of drugs, alcohol, or unhealthy foods. A desire is not incompatible with a need, and just because someone wants something that would ultimately benefit society does not mean they should not have it, regardless of their desire.



    Not everyone has the same exact freedom because they don't start on the same playing field. Someone in upper incomes who come from an influential family will likely get much farther than someone in born in poverty. Do you think Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush would be where they are today if it weren't for how influential their families were?



    Depending on the type of birth control used, it can be ineffective in various circumstances. People don't just "feel like" having kids. It's a very difficult decision to make, as you would know. Having paid parental leave doesn't mean that you never come to work. Everyone has the option to not use their leave, and businesses have the ability to give workers the incentive to come back part time.



    She's a left libertarian, according to her lean, and left libertarianism strongly disagrees with the economic policies of right libertarianism.
    Nothing can be done to harm or benefit society. Society is an abstract concept and nothing more. What does count is what hurts or benefits persons.

    Yes everyone gets the exact same freedom regardless of their position at birth of their advantages. Freedom is not given by position or opportunity it is merely no obstruction in your way.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Why shouldn't we do things that are good for the benefit of society? It's been proven through history that prohibition does more harm than good and fails to eliminate the presence of drugs, alcohol, or unhealthy foods. A desire is not incompatible with a need, and just because someone wants something that would ultimately benefit society does not mean they should not have it, regardless of their desire.



    Not everyone has the same exact freedom because they don't start on the same playing field. Someone in upper incomes who come from an influential family will likely get much farther than someone in born in poverty. Do you think Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush would be where they are today if it weren't for how influential their families were?

    No they have the exact same freedom. I think you don't understand what the word freedom means. Someone not having the money to do do does not mean they don't have the freedom to do it. The same as everyone has the freedom to run for political office, some just have the money to make it easier.

    Depending on the type of birth control used, it can be ineffective in various circumstances. People don't just "feel like" having kids. It's a very difficult decision to make, as you would know. Having paid parental leave doesn't mean that you never come to work. Everyone has the option to not use their leave, and businesses have the ability to give workers the incentive to come back part time.
    And like I said those circumstances are very rare if used properly. That is what makes the majority of those who get pregnant on accident irresponsible. And while you are right that those using the leave have the option to work part of the time or take leave. The company, the one being forced to foot the bill really would have no say. What incentive would the business have. Pay the person not working even more money to come back and work part time. Sounds like a great business plan.
    I have to ask have you ever had a job as anything above a entry level position.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    The fertility rate in the U.S. is currently 1.86. It might suit your ideology to say that low income people shouldn't have kids, but given current wages that is going to mean negative population growth. Having kids isn't just a personal choice, its also obviously an absolute requirement for the continuation of our nation.

    That said, its stupid to have employers pay for it, as that will only lead to discrimination and screwing small businesses. Raising the next generation is something that impacts our whole society and should be administered by the government and paid for with taxes.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    We were not discussing womens issues but human rights issues which do not apply more to one sub group.

    ANy person regardless of genetalia has a place in this discussion. Your evasion is just cowardice and hypocrisy
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    There are plenty of things that society should allow that are not necessarily rights. I believe smoking marijuana should be legal, and I assume you do as well based on your lean, but that doesn't mean I believe it should be a right.
    I agree it should be legal, but you display your difficulty understanding that rights are FROM something, not TO something. Marijuana being legal means you have a right not to be deprived of liberty (incarceration) or property (fines) for smoking marijuana. It does not mean you are entitled to be kept in consistent supply of marijuana (i.e. you have no right TO marijuana).

    But the person who holds that job needs it more than the corporation needs to bring in a large amount of profits.
    Contracts do not cater to subjective assessments of relative need between the parties. If I offer my car for sale for $5,000, I will sell it indiscriminately to a billionaire or to a person who has exactly $5,000 to his name and has no transportation. My "need" for $5,000 vs. the billionaires "need" for a car vs. the poor guy's "need" for a car are all irrelevant. The car and the $5,000 are a fair trade considering the blue book value of the car.

    So a corporation has no responsibility to society other than to bring in profits?
    They don't have any social responsibility whatsoever, not even "bringing in profits." They tend to try for that because, if they are not profitable, no one will want to invest in them or work for them because they would not see it as a worthwhile or fruitful endeavor, but that's just cause and effect. There is no intrinsic "responsibility to society" of any kind.

    That's my point. Not everyone is going to want to offer paid parental leave, so it's going to discourage many businesses from offering it, and therefore make it harder for potential parents to find a job that offers it.
    Companies will offer it when they deem it in their own best interests to offer it. If they want more stable and committed employees, they may choose to offer this benefit, whereas others that tried to get early-20-somethings to work for minimal pay to build experience might save some money in the short-term but they will have higher turnover because younger people are flightier. Not mandating it lets each business decide for itself what types of employees it seeks to do work for it. It's not smart to blanket the nation in mandates that slant hiring preference toward or away from a particular type of person. In no way could that intelligently be considered "fair."

    It would be more justified for the government to directly disburse a guaranteed basic income to new moms than it would to mandate it upon all employers. And I'm not saying the government disbursement idea is justified, just saying that by comparison, it would be more justified.

    Well the company's interest is not the only thing at stake here.
    Companies are free to tilt their recruiting efforts toward whatever type of people they want to hire, so policies that significantly inflate the cost of some employees are not necessarily helping the people they claim to help.

    With the exception of those who are in their teens and those who are of retirement age, the company isn't going to be able to tell who is planning to have a child without explicitly asking them.
    You're ignoring the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s. The 20s and 30s are the most likely to incur maternity leave costs. The risk of maternity leave plummets to zero around the early forties. It's not that really that difficult to predict that a 45-year old mother of three is less likely to incur maternity leave costs than a newly married 25-year old. So if an employer is running on a tight budget and is looking for stable, consistent employee, that might be enough to make the 45-year old a competitive advantage.

    We don't need our laws to tinker with all of this. It doesn't necessarily do anyone any favors. All that can be gleaned from this idea is that left wingers have good intentions. That's it.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Your reliance on personal insults is noted. Please feel free to resume discussion with me when you are able to engage me in a civilized debate.
    An insult is directed against a person. My comments were directed against your evasion.

    You ran from debate to begin with

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    An insult is directed against a person. My comments were directed against your evasion.

    You ran from debate to begin with
    I'm sorry, do I need to spell this out for you? I engage mature people, not those who refuse to have an honest debate. Good day.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I'm sorry, do I need to spell this out for you? I engage mature people, not those who refuse to have an honest debate. Good day.
    You refused to have an honest debate seems you describe yourself

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Yes. It is an absolute travesty that women have to give up on careers in order to have a family... I would think that those that favour private enterprise would actually want this as it promotes the best people for the job.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    An insult is directed against a person. My comments were directed against your evasion.

    You ran from debate to begin with
    The evasion is something that he chose to do, if that is the case, and as such your insult was actually directed at his personal choice to evade... nice try though.
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