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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    not just no, but hell no

    starting a family is a personal decision....i have three kids myself

    but asking a business to pay me, or my wife, to stay home with our baby? no

    my wife used her vacation, and sick leave....and got paid for 3 of the 12 weeks she was out

    we covered the rest thru my income, and our savings

    i know...that takes personal responsibility....sorry.....but asking an owner of a business who has to hire a temp worker to cover the missing person for 12 weeks already, to also pay the person not working.....hell no
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Not exactly, because that's not exactly the kind of reform I would favor. As far as wage inequality, worker-employee relationships, etc., I would favor a doubling of the minimum wage (somewhere between $14-16, adjusted for inflation, would be preferable), the establishment of a maximum wage of 1 to 20, similar to the 1-12 initiative in Switzerland, and this kind of legislation to encourage employee ownership.

    Of course the pay of a person who works a low to no skilled position in a company and suffers no real financial risk if the company doesn't make a profit or goes out of business should be linked to the guy who took a giant financial risk to start the company, manages it successfully and risks loosing a ton financially if the company fails. What a load of crap

    So you essentially believe the right of corporations and businesses to bring in profits outweighs the right of parents to have sufficient ability to raise their child without large economic strains?

    what you don't seem to understand is that neither the company or the worker has a right to any of what you are talking about. The company has to earn their profits and it is up to the individual to provide enough financial well being in order to raise a child. It is not and should not be a business job to cover the expenses of what ever decisions it's employees make which is what having kids is.
    Why are you so against people being responsible for themselves




    I personally favor the Swedish model: 16 months each for the mother and the father. The proposal in congress guarantees 12 weeks.
    You honestly don't see an issue with forcing a company to pay an individual for over a year for a decision they made while getting nothing from that employee. So what if the woman gets pregnant very soon after her first. How the long must the company keep this woman on the payroll.
    I will never understand the liberal desire to make people no longer be accountable for their own actions. It seems the liberal dream is to be able to do whatever you want and just make someone else pay for it.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    No. It's a private matter between employer and employee, the government has no business in it. If the company values its staff it will make arrangement - flex time, paid leave etc - but it should not do so with a gun to its head. If it doesn't value its staff it should lose enough of them until it does or goes out of business.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    not just no, but hell no

    starting a family is a personal decision....i have three kids myself

    but asking a business to pay me, or my wife, to stay home with our baby? no

    my wife used her vacation, and sick leave....and got paid for 3 of the 12 weeks she was out

    we covered the rest thru my income, and our savings

    i know...that takes personal responsibility....sorry.....but asking an owner of a business who has to hire a temp worker to cover the missing person for 12 weeks already, to also pay the person not working.....hell no
    Sweden has a PATERNAL (mother or father) leave system which has proven socially beneficial...

    Tbh the fathers had to be met with a govt-funded cultural campaign to get them to Actually take their leave xP

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Of course the pay of a person who works a low to no skilled position in a company and suffers no real financial risk if the company doesn't make a profit or goes out of business should be linked to the guy who took a giant financial risk to start the company, manages it successfully and risks loosing a ton financially if the company fails. What a load of crap
    You're implying that all workers have low skills or no skills, and even for those that are in that category, that this makes them undeserving of economic stability. If a venture capitalist wants to take huge risks to attempt to become one of the powerful few, that's their choice, but just because he/she has chosen that career, it doesn't mean they should have a right to control the lives of those who are simply trying to live their lives in economic stability.

    what you don't seem to understand is that neither the company or the worker has a right to any of what you are talking about. The company has to earn their profits and it is up to the individual to provide enough financial well being in order to raise a child. It is not and should not be a business job to cover the expenses of what ever decisions it's employees make which is what having kids is.
    Why are you so against people being responsible for themselves
    The individual does not simply have the ability to create economic stability. They can be as "responsible for themselves" as possible, but that doesn't mean the state of the economy isn't going to screw them over.

    You honestly don't see an issue with forcing a company to pay an individual for over a year for a decision they made while getting nothing from that employee. So what if the woman gets pregnant very soon after her first. How the long must the company keep this woman on the payroll.
    I will never understand the liberal desire to make people no longer be accountable for their own actions. It seems the liberal dream is to be able to do whatever you want and just make someone else pay for it.
    As I've stated in earlier posts, a worker will be more pleased with a company that provides them with paid leave, and a happy worker creates a productive worker. And firstly, I'm not a liberal, and I fail to understand the obsession of pretty much every conservative or libertarian here to include that word in their posts as though it's inherently an evil ideology. And secondly, it's not "do whatever you want and someone else pays for it." That not only shows a lack of understanding of liberalism, but of the entire left as a whole. The basic idea here is that the current state of income inequality is totally unacceptable and something needs to be done about it. But no matter how many efforts at redistribution are enacted, minus the total abolition of capitalism, which I do not support, the rich will always still be in some fashion ahead of the poor. There's some illusion here that the left props up the poor and persecutes the rich with the goal of reversing the roles; that is simply not true. And paid parental leave, along with the other things I support as rights, or whatever you want, as you like to call it, is the basic needs necessary for life. It's not about rewarding the lazy and punishing the successful; quite the opposite.

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    Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    By discouraging people who live in lower incomes from having children, you're going to have a low birth rate and therefore have a lower standard of living (mind that I'm referring to discouragement via government policy, not personal discouragement.) It would be far better policy if we make it easier on lower income people to have a child economically, which includes paid parental leave, national daycare program, etc.
    You believe that people who can't afford to raise children should be encouraged to have them anyway and we should just subsidize them with more welfare? I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. There isn't a nicer way to put it.

    We give away 'free' birth control and low cost abortions. People need to be responsible and use them if they can't afford to have children.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    or they could try and better their situation first

    get additional training....take on more responsibility

    further their career.....

    i have had women negotiate time off with pay to have their kids.....twice in 31 years......and both were higher level executives

    and i agreed on both occasions, because i wanted them on my team
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    or they could try and better their situation first

    get additional training....take on more responsibility

    further their career.....

    i have had women negotiate time off with pay to have their kids.....twice in 31 years......and both were higher level executives

    and i agreed on both occasions, because i wanted them on my team
    I agree, but if they're too stupid and/or lazy to better themselves, then they need to use that birth control and/or abortions. I'd suggest they just keep their legs closed in the first place, but we're not talking about people who are smart enough to figure that out, so it would be pointless.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't think we need any new entitlements...unless we raise taxes to cover the cost.
    I'd prefer to cut other parts of the budget to make room for it, but I'd be okay with raising taxes slightly to cover it if necessary. I believe it's beneficial enough to justify it.
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