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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The USA is a savage uncivilized country compared to the rest of the world.
    Just the way we like it. I do wonder though why people from all over the world move here if we're so savage and uncivilized?

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    That was essentially the argument that was being presented.
    It's not the strongest argument against this idea (but nor is it an argument for it).

    Employees do earn the profits for the company; under the current system, they're simply not allowed to keep the majority of the money you earn.
    They earn what their contract says they will receive in exchange for a specific quantity of services or the completion of a job. What you're griping about amounts to equity compensation for ordinary employees, which while it may be an interesting concept in some cases is usually too risky for ordinary employees, so they'd rather just have a regular paycheck calculated hourly or annually. They need that concrete expectation and don't want to take the gamble on whether their employer will turn a profit or not. You have to incur risk to reap that type of reward.

    I'm guessing you want employees to share in the reward but not the risk. Am I wrong to assume that?

    So you not only oppose a mandate for paid parental leave, you think no one, including people who already receive it, should not have paid parental leave?
    For the most part I oppose the mandate. Beyond that I still think it's a bad idea but I wouldn't propose interfering with an organization's right to offer that as a compensation benefit.

    Parental leave, as opposed to maternity leave, means that both the mother and the father can use it, and eliminates the discrimination issue.
    This is not "random." This makes it easier for parents to actually raise their child without extreme economic hardship. And as I previously mentioned, parental leave will not create discrimination in hiring.[/QUOTE]

    The option of fathers to stay home instead of the mothers won't be enough to overcome the tendency of the mothers to choose (or feel the need) to be the ones to stay home. And even if you were right that parental leave would reduce discrimination between sexes (which I don't think you are), it doesn't do anything about potential discrimination between age groups.

    Out of curiosity, how much mandatory paid leave are advocates thinking is a good idea?

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Of course not. Ethics are in the eye of the beholder. Legal rights are in the eye of the law.



    I don't judge other countries. If they want to dictate such things to their citizens and businesses, so be it. I DO judge my country.
    You're avoiding the question. Do you think that since most other countries implement paid parental leave, they are dictatorships?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Birth control is available for free, yet there are still far too many people having children who can't afford to raise them.

    Yes I do discourage parenthood for people who can't afford it. What responsible person wouldn't?
    By discouraging people who live in lower incomes from having children, you're going to have a low birth rate and therefore have a lower standard of living (mind that I'm referring to discouragement via government policy, not personal discouragement.) It would be far better policy if we make it easier on lower income people to have a child economically, which includes paid parental leave, national daycare program, etc.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?
    No. That should be up for the employer to decide.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    You're avoiding the question. Do you think that since most other countries implement paid parental leave, they are dictatorships?
    You are harping on an issue that is irrelevant to this topic, imo, and I won't play your game.

    Get over it.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's not the strongest argument against this idea (but nor is it an argument for it).



    They earn what their contract says they will receive in exchange for a specific quantity of services or the completion of a job. What you're griping about amounts to equity compensation for ordinary employees, which while it may be an interesting concept in some cases is usually too risky for ordinary employees, so they'd rather just have a regular paycheck calculated hourly or annually. They need that concrete expectation and don't want to take the gamble on whether their employer will turn a profit or not. You have to incur risk to reap that type of reward.

    I'm guessing you want employees to share in the reward but not the risk. Am I wrong to assume that?
    Not exactly, because that's not exactly the kind of reform I would favor. As far as wage inequality, worker-employee relationships, etc., I would favor a doubling of the minimum wage (somewhere between $14-16, adjusted for inflation, would be preferable), the establishment of a maximum wage of 1 to 20, similar to the 1-12 initiative in Switzerland, and this kind of legislation to encourage employee ownership.

    For the most part I oppose the mandate. Beyond that I still think it's a bad idea but I wouldn't propose interfering with an organization's right to offer that as a compensation benefit.
    So you essentially believe the right of corporations and businesses to bring in profits outweighs the right of parents to have sufficient ability to raise their child without large economic strains?

    The option of fathers to stay home instead of the mothers won't be enough to overcome the tendency of the mothers to choose (or feel the need) to be the ones to stay home. And even if you were right that parental leave would reduce discrimination between sexes (which I don't think you are), it doesn't do anything about potential discrimination between age groups.
    I'm not saying parental leave would reduce discrimination between genders. I'm saying it would not create discrimination where maternity leave exclusively has the potential to. And the unpaid leave currently in place here already places some disadvantages towards businesses, albeit they are minor ones, so would you support repealing unpaid leave on that basis that discrimination could occur under those circumstances? In addition, anyone between the age of 18 and 45 has the potential to be having a child. I don't think a company is going to be able to tell conclusively who is going to have a child while working for them.

    Out of curiosity, how much mandatory paid leave are advocates thinking is a good idea?
    I personally favor the Swedish model: 16 months each for the mother and the father. The proposal in congress guarantees 12 weeks.

    U.S. Sen. Gillibrand Introduces Paid Family Leave Act - myChamplainValley.com

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?

    Yes. It's disgraceful that we don't have it.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Yes. It's disgraceful that we don't have it.
    I think you should get paid for your work, not for contributing to over population.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think you should get paid for your work, not for contributing to over population.

    That's like comparing building a sand castle to launching a rocket into space..

    The illogical nature of that simplistic statement in regards to the intrinsic depth of maternity leave and how critical it is to a society is truly shameful and ignorant.

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