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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I'm not saying we should do something just because other countries are doing it; that in and of itself would be a poor argument. What I am saying is that despite the cutbacks these companies have had to take, there is no conclusive proof that this alone will be a significant impact. on companies, because this hasn't been a major impact on employers in other nations.
    The predicted significance of impact on the company is not the basis for whether or not this is a good idea.

    "Their profits" lol. Ownership and/or management of a company does not guarantee you more rights to profits than the employees that earned them.
    Employees don't earn profits, they earn wages.

    Okay, but I still contend that without the collective bargaining process or a mandate, most workers whose employers do not already offer paid parental leave will have little to no chance of getting it.
    They shouldn't.

    It can be worthwhile for them, but oftentimes expending more money than what is legally necessary on your employees means that you are being more generous to your employees than competitors and therefore bringing in less profits. This system discourages the existence of paid parental leave entirely in some cases.
    As it should. Mandatory paid parental leave would discourage hiring young women.


    So you support the idea of mandating companies to pay money to the government,
    That's called taxation and it's constitutional , so yes.

    but oppose the idea of government mandating companies to spend money on their employees?
    No, valid contracts require due consideration. Mandating random personally variable non-cash social benefits result in skewed hiring preferences which is unfair to the very people this idea purports to help.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    You want more women to go through emotionally traumatic experiences they would prefer to avoid?
    If they are irresponsible enough to get pregnant when they can't afford a child, yes.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Can't answer for other nations.

    In the US we respect the rights of individuals.
    Especially mothers. Derp.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I'm not saying we should do something just because other countries are doing it; that in and of itself would be a poor argument. What I am saying is that despite the cutbacks these companies have had to take, there is no conclusive proof that this alone will be a significant impact. on companies, because this hasn't been a major impact on employers in other nations.



    "Their profits" lol. Ownership and/or management of a company does not guarantee you more rights to profits than the employees that earned them.
    Actually, ownership of a company gives you the ONLY right to the profits of the company. In fact, the employees have NO right to profits.

    Okay, but I still contend that without the collective bargaining process or a mandate, most workers whose employers do not already offer paid parental leave will have little to no chance of getting it.



    It can be worthwhile for them, but oftentimes expending more money than what is legally necessary on your employees means that you are being more generous to your employees than competitors and therefore bringing in less profits. This system discourages the existence of paid parental leave entirely in some cases.



    I could've brought up ACA, but I oppose it for other reasons irrelevant to this discussion. So you support the idea of mandating companies to pay money to the government, but oppose the idea of government mandating companies to spend money on their employees?
    I support the right of the government to tax its citizens and businesses. I do not support the idea of government mandating that its citizens and businesses buy products they don't want to buy or spend money on entitlements that the government is unable to enact and fund on its own.

    That's a very perverted definition of dictatorship you have there.
    Perverted? LOL!! Yes, I suppose a liberal/progressive/Democrat WOULD consider opposition to government mandated purchases to be perverted.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The predicted significance of impact on the company is not the basis for whether or not this is a good idea.
    That was essentially the argument that was being presented.

    Employees don't earn profits, they earn wages.
    Employees do earn the profits for the company; under the current system, they're simply not allowed to keep the majority of the money you earn.

    They shouldn't.
    So you not only oppose a mandate for paid parental leave, you think no one, including people who already receive it, should not have paid parental leave?

    As it should. Mandatory paid parental leave would discourage hiring young women.
    Parental leave, as opposed to maternity leave, means that both the mother and the father can use it, and eliminates the discrimination issue.

    That's called taxation and it's constitutional , so yes.



    No, valid contracts require due consideration. Mandating random personally variable non-cash social benefits result in skewed hiring preferences which is unfair to the very people this idea purports to help.
    This is not "random." This makes it easier for parents to actually raise their child without extreme economic hardship. And as I previously mentioned, parental leave will not create discrimination in hiring.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    If they are irresponsible enough to get pregnant when they can't afford a child, yes.
    They are plenty of other ways to reduce unwanted pregnancies, such as free distribution of birth control. Also, if you're going to encourage abortion for families who can't afford to have children, as opposed to making it easier for parents to raise a child, economically speaking, you're essentially discouraging parenthood altogether for people who can't afford it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Actually, ownership of a company gives you the ONLY right to the profits of the company. In fact, the employees have NO right to profits.
    So? Legal rights=/=ethical rights.

    I support the right of the government to tax its citizens and businesses. I do not support the idea of government mandating that its citizens and businesses buy products they don't want to buy or spend money on entitlements that the government is unable to enact and fund on its own.



    Perverted? LOL!! Yes, I suppose a liberal/progressive/Democrat WOULD consider opposition to government mandated purchases to be perverted.
    It's not the opposition to a paid parental leave mandate that I think is "perverted." I think it's odd and very misguided that a government mandating paid parental leave turns it into a dictatorship in your view. Do you consider most countries in the world to be dictatorships?

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    Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    They are plenty of other ways to reduce unwanted pregnancies, such as free distribution of birth control. Also, if you're going to encourage abortion for families who can't afford to have children, as opposed to making it easier for parents to raise a child, economically speaking, you're essentially discouraging parenthood altogether for people who can't afford it.
    Birth control is available for free, yet there are still far too many people having children who can't afford to raise them.

    Yes I do discourage parenthood for people who can't afford it. What responsible person wouldn't?

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Especially mothers. Derp.
    Especially no ones.

    Their rights are no more or less than the rights of anyone who might employ one.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Yes, because it's there was a federal law regarding maternity leave. And paternity leave while we're at it.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    So? Legal rights=/=ethical rights.
    Of course not. Ethics are in the eye of the beholder. Legal rights are in the eye of the law.

    It's not the opposition to a paid parental leave mandate that I think is "perverted." I think it's odd and very misguided that a government mandating paid parental leave turns it into a dictatorship in your view. Do you consider most countries in the world to be dictatorships?
    I don't judge other countries. If they want to dictate such things to their citizens and businesses, so be it. I DO judge my country.
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