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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Obviously yes. And anyone who believes in reducing the number of abortions but opposes guaranteeing paid leave is a hypocrite. If the U.S. wasn't such an awful place to raise a mother, much less people in lower incomes would be motivated to have an abortion.
    I think the number of abortions needs to increase greatly. Not nearly enough people in this country who should have abortions are having them.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I did not. I only said it was a right. Which at this time it is.
    I know and I agree. My comment was aimed at the poster who brought abortion into the discussion.
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    one last question on this topic for those who are championing it

    who pays for this? do you expect the small businessman to just eat the cost of this?

    in our organization, we have approx 160 employees

    i wanted to get the information on our company as an example

    68 are female (almost all in child bearing years)

    6 are currently pregnant (that is the ones hr knows about right now)

    again...who pays for this? anyone want to guess what those 6 would cost this company this year if this were to pass?

    my hr person and i worked on the numbers.....

    lets just say i am glad i dont have to have THAT conversation with the owner right now
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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Maternity leave is already a part of why women are paid less than men. Mandating paid maternity leave would just make that Male/Female income gap that some people bitch about even larger.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Policies which force favorable treatment towards certain specific people tend to backfire, by creating an underlying disincentive to hire that type of person in the first place. This seems like no exception. People aren't stupid. If generous fully paid maternity leave is mandated, what's a safer and wider choice: the 25-35 year old married male professional worker, or the 25-35 year old married professional female worker?

    Sure, discrimination on the basis of gender and other personal things is illegal, but in reality very difficult to police, so unfortunately I do not believe at the end of the day this policy would do any real favors for gender equality advocates. There are countless ways to demonstrate that the person the employer wants to hire (for his own discriminatory financially-related reasons) are legitimate and based on the job description, even if they're not.

    The left-wing never seems to think critically about this. As another example, think of the 30-hour health insurance mandate. It just creates a dead spot where it doesn't make financial sense to work someone 25-35 hours. Employers will only make them 40 hours a week permanent, (and salaried wherever possible) if the work is truly truly needed, otherwise they will make sure to suppress hours scheduled to 25. People will lose hours and thus be poorer despite the policy's supposedly good intentions.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Maternity leave - yes...paid maternity leave - no...but if the employee has saved vacation time and unused sick time then that could be used to help compensate for time off.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Well then they can save up their own money and take time off unpaid to raise them.
    Some might. But then again, do we believe in family values? Or is that just conservatives talking out their ass?

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Nope, some companies couldnt afford it.

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    Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Nope, some companies couldnt afford it.
    Even if they could afford it, mandating it wouldn't be justified.

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    Re: Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Thank you.



    And I contend that tax loopholes are irrelevant. There is great harm to businesses from this proposal:

    Many businesses won't be able to afford the cost of paying an employee to do nothing. Many businesses don't earn the profits to absorb that cost. Many businesses are not able to raise prices to make up the additional costs without losing customers. This can only result in adverse effects on the businesses and/or their employees.



    Something that everyone learns sooner or later is that doing something "just because the neighbors do it" is a stupid way to run their lives. The same is true for countries.
    I'm not saying we should do something just because other countries are doing it; that in and of itself would be a poor argument. What I am saying is that despite the cutbacks these companies have had to take, there is no conclusive proof that this alone will be a significant impact. on companies, because this hasn't been a major impact on employers in other nations.

    Good God!!, but you are an arrogant SOB to think that YOU know better whether a company can "get along fine" without their profits!! That's that liberal/progressive/Democrat "I know better than YOU do" attitude.
    "Their profits" lol. Ownership and/or management of a company does not guarantee you more rights to profits than the employees that earned them.

    By "negotiate", I was referring to the normal course of events...interview, offer, counter-offer, discussion, ultimate agreement or disagreement...that is a part of any decision to employ or be employed.
    Okay, but I still contend that without the collective bargaining process or a mandate, most workers whose employers do not already offer paid parental leave will have little to no chance of getting it.

    A company that decides, for themselves, to offer an employee paid parental leave is not necessarily at a competitive disadvantage. It may very well be worth their while...and advantageous to their bottom line...to incorporate those costs. But the key is that it is left to the company to decide. When the government starts dictating, you've now taken the decision away from the company. As I've said before, there will be adverse effects on many companies. THAT is how the government is screwing things up.
    It can be worthwhile for them, but oftentimes expending more money than what is legally necessary on your employees means that you are being more generous to your employees than competitors and therefore bringing in less profits. This system discourages the existence of paid parental leave entirely in some cases.

    Again, I contend that "taxes" is irrelevant. Now...if you had brought up Obamacare, then you WOULD be making a relevant point...but still a bad one. This proposal is not requiring a business to pay money to the government...as in taxes. It is more like Obamacare in that it is requiring businesses to buy something they may or may not want...that is an extra benefit for their employee. As I've said before...while still a bad idea, you would be more honest to advocate for an increase in taxes and the creation of another government entitlement...paid parental leave.
    I could've brought up ACA, but I oppose it for other reasons irrelevant to this discussion. So you support the idea of mandating companies to pay money to the government, but oppose the idea of government mandating companies to spend money on their employees?

    Well...I didn't say anything about democratic or republican values, so I won't answer a strawman question. I DID say that this proposal is nothing more than the government becoming a dictatorship...demanding that a business spend money on something they may or may not want to buy. We have entirely too much of this kind of thing already. Witness Obamacare.
    That's a very perverted definition of dictatorship you have there.

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    I think the number of abortions needs to increase greatly. Not nearly enough people in this country who should have abortions are having them.
    You want more women to go through emotionally traumatic experiences they would prefer to avoid?

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