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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It isn't a dodge just because we don't conduct ourselves in your set up disrespectful scenario the way that you think that we should for reasons that I have explained to you already... I already said that I called a Cherokee friend a Redskin but you don't like that either because it contains humor. Perhaps you conduct yourself around strangers in a disrespectful manner but I for one do not.
    I don't call anyone by any name but what they have asked me to. But, my scenario didn't involve calling them by a different name than they have asked me to. Dodge, dodge, dodge. Equals capitulation.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Racial bigotry by a minority carries no societal implications for you. OF COURSE it's easy to ignore. It means nothing socially.

    But racial bigotry by the majority does carry threat. When a white expresses racial bigotry, it means a minority will suffer injustice (thus, it constitutes racism).


    It's terribly ignorant to presume racial bigotry against someone is the same for the majority as a minority.
    We're talkin' about words, not actions. Actions > Words. Actions can physically harm a person, whereas words by themselves cannot.

    My ignorement of it has nothing to do with my social position as a man or a white person. I grew up with "sticks & stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." Then, I went through Marine Corps. bootcamp training. I can handle words without getting all bent out of shape, even derogatory language against my heritage & family ancestors (Hatfield) unless it is coming from a McCoy

    And you already know I disagree with your "sociological" views on matters such as this.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Reginald Denny might disagree with you

    Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, might disagree with you if they had not been raped and murdered
    Obviously anyone could be attacked by anyone, for any reason, but we're discussing racial slurs and how they impact the majority differently than a minority - socially.

    When a black says "I hate whites" it means nothing to me socially. It's pissing in the wind. When a white says "I hate blacks" it carries a very real social threat to black people.

    It's not a threat to us, it is a threat to them. That's the result of social power dynamics.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Eight votes for "yes" and six votes for "no" so far. The OP's plan backfired, I suppose.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I don't call anyone by any name but what they have asked me to. But, my scenario didn't involve calling them by a different name than they have asked me to. Dodge, dodge, dodge. Equals capitulation.
    No. You haven't explained how my choosing to be a respectful person equals a dodge... and capitulation? Get over yourself with that idiotic logic.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    We're talkin' about words, not actions. Actions > Words. Actions can physically harm a person, whereas words by themselves cannot.
    False.

    When words serve to create or perpetuate systemic injustice, they harm society. They become more than just words, they are threats.

    My ignorement of it has nothing to do with my social position as a man or a white person.
    False.

    If you were black, racial bigotry against you would carry real social threat. Because you're white, and thus it carries no threat, there's no reason for it to bother you.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Obviously anyone could be attacked by anyone, for any reason, but we're discussing racial slurs and how they impact the majority differently than a minority - socially.

    When a black says "I hate whites" it means nothing to me socially. It's pissing in the wind. When a white says "I hate blacks" it carries a very real social threat to black people.

    It's not a threat to us, it is a threat to them. That's the result of social power dynamics.
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    There are literally hundreds of stories like this that 100% refute your nave version of reality eco... I swear, why do you persist with this white guilt crap?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Eight votes for "yes" and six votes for "no" so far. The OP's plan backfired, I suppose.
    It's like a racist pride parade.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Meaningless.

    Whites can escape any racial injustice they perceive, simply by moving. Blacks cannot.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Meaningless.

    Whites can escape any racial injustice they perceive, simply by moving. Blacks cannot.
    And now blacks can't move? There is a black American teacher at my school that moved from Arkansas to New Zealand... I somehow think you are wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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