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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, actually, I am not trying to apply one context to all contexts. I specifically narrowed the context to non-joking contexts because people were avoiding the point by bringing up joking contexts. There are other contexts where it might be acceptable, but, in general, you can't call a Native American a redskin without it being offensive.
    People weren't avoiding anything. The OP lacked actual context. It's only natural for people to fill in the missing context.

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    My sample dialog was an oversimplified dialog to illustrate how race might come up in a non joking manner, but it isn't the only way, and is not essential to my point. To solely focus on it when responding to my post is simply a dishonest way to respond. A person who cannot respond to a person's point obviously knows on some level they are afraid to admit something.
    Except that race wouldn't come up in such a dialog. When introduced most people either say "hello" or "hello mr./mrs. <insert last name here>. No one says "Oh hey!, A redskin!". Not because it is or isn't offensive. But because from childhood we are trained so much in saying "hello" or "hello mr./mrs. <insert last name>" that it is ingrained into us. It's pretty much become instinct to greet that way. As such you provided a false context. Something that simply wouldn't happen due to our training in greetings.

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    It is ridiculous to try to construe a person's post as something other than it is, and then respond to that. Gee, I think there is indeed a named fallacy for it or something.
    Please. We all know why these Redkins threads are starting up. Don't even pretend to claim that these threads are nothing more than attempts to portray the word "redskins" as having nothing but a negative connotation no matter what. And don't pretend that you're not trying to do the same.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

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    It supports injustice, which will always exist within society but should nonetheless be minimized.
    I agree with that but not with it harming "society" as a whole.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    People weren't avoiding anything. The OP lacked actual context. It's only natural for people to fill in the missing context.
    And you can fill in that missing content with avoidance, or you can fill it in with substance. Would you use redskin to describe a Native American in the presence of another Native American? If you would, then great. If you wouldn't, then why?

    There, I fixed the thread.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face? [W:166]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It would seem rude and intemperate... two things I try to avoid.
    Get ready... he is about to accuse you of capitulation since you didn't answer his False Dilemma the way he wants you to.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    From a social perspective, to include the maximum achievement of potential from each teammate, the mere existence of even positive racial stereotypes is a burden. To advocate stereotypes be they positive, negative or racist, is harming ourselves.
    The only way to achieve what you are talking about here is to totally ban and get rid of any and all terms regarding race. Including the word "race" itself. That's nothing but a pipe dream.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    And you can fill in that missing content with avoidance, or you can fill it in with substance. Would you use redskin to describe a Native American in the presence of another Native American? If you would, then great. If you wouldn't, then why?

    There, I fixed the thread.
    No. Because it is impolite to talk to, or about, a person that you don't know/barely know without using their name, ma'am, miss or sir.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    And you can fill in that missing content with avoidance, or you can fill it in with substance. Would you use redskin to describe a Native American in the presence of another Native American? If you would, then great. If you wouldn't, then why?

    There, I fixed the thread.
    Nope, you didn't fix the thread. Because again, context is missing. Am I talking about the NFL's history in which native americans were proud to use the name "Redskins"? Are we talking about history in general? Are we talking about the perspective of one person from olden times to describe a native american? What is THAT context? Are we all friends? Am I angry? Happy? Mischivious? I could go on and on. You're wanting a question answered in a vacuum. If you're refering to Dezaads question I already answered it. Twice. Sorry if the answer wasn't satisfactory to you.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    There are native americans who have expressed offense to the notion of the Redskins name being forced or pressured to change. By the logic that "Its not okay to even offend a minority of a minority", there is no right answer because you're going to offend a minority of the minority in some fashion either way.

    So what you COULD do is simply deem which minority is more important and suggest the other's opinion shouldn't be the basis for a decision. But then again, once you do that you basically create the basis for logic to suggest that the minority of the minority you actually support shouldn't be the basis for a decision as well.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    In this instance context is everything. The name was never meant to be demeaning or the Team wouldn't have called themselves something derogatory or slanderous, that doesn't make sense. Many of the names of teams were meant to be kitschy, unique and fun, connotative of fierceness.

    That people get offended at this decades later shows a level of social incompetence and phony correctness.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope, you didn't fix the thread. Because again, context is missing. Am I talking about the NFL's history in which native americans were proud to use the name "Redskins"? Are we talking about history in general? Are we talking about the perspective of one person from olden times to describe a native american? What is THAT context? Are we all friends? Am I angry? Happy? Mischivious? I could go on and on. You're wanting a question answered in a vacuum. If you're refering to Dezaads question I already answered it. Twice. Sorry if the answer wasn't satisfactory to you.
    I actually do find your answer satisfactory. The fact that you need a laundry list of stipulations for 'redskin' to be socially acceptable speaks volumes.

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