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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
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    And here it is (etymological fallacy). Regardless of how the word was used in the 1800s or 1950s, it is offensive to Native Americans now. It is offensive to non-Native Americans. That's the beginning and end of the argument.
    Except it isnt. Or rather its offensive to some, but mostly no one.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    To me, it's a caricature of a Native American. It's like when Japanese were depicted with buck teeth and yellow skin in American media. That's MY reason. What's your personal stake in perpetuating racial stereotypes?
    Care to ask the question in a more objective or neutral fashion than the pointedly biased and prejudiced manner from the very start? Your very question PRESUMES that it perpetuates a racial stereotype. Forgive me if I don't feel like answering a blowhard style question from someone who talks out of one side of his mouth about not telling people what they should be offended by, and then attempts to convince people to ask biased and slanted questions.

    I sense that a logical fallacy is coming.
    Really, I get that sense a lot from your posts.

    Regardless of how the word was used in the 1800s or 1950s, it is offensive to Native Americans now.
    1. It is offensive to SOME Native Americans now, which I've never suggested otherwise. Unlike you however, I'm not attempting to misrepresent the gorup.

    2. I never claimed that the etymology of the word alone should mean that someone shouldn't be offended by it. It plays into why I am not offended by it, but each pereson makes their own decisions. What I DID claim was that the etymology of the word counters the claim made by the individual who recently popularized the image you posted sans any context, who suggested that Redskin "means" something that it does not.

    That's the beginning and end of the argument.
    No, it's not...unless you're ignorantly and hypocritically telling people what they should be offended by seeing as there are many native americans and non-native americans NOT offended by it, despite your implication that they are.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    I don't get how it matters who's offended. It is what it is.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    No. Regardless of whether or not redskin is a slur, I don't call people by their race 99% of the time.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    No. Regardless of whether or not redskin is a slur, I don't call people by their race 99% of the time.
    Its really that simple, isn't it?

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Your avoidance runs deep. I presented no dilemma at all. A dilemma is not necessary to my point, and you deciding that there is a false bifurcation is just you deepening your avoidance.
    Intellectual Integrity my ass. What pathetic idiocy, unless you don't understand what a False Dilemma is...

    False Dilemma / Bifurcation Fallacy

    The bifurcation fallacy is committed when a false dilemma is presented, i.e. when someone is asked to choose between two options when there is at least one other option available. Of course, arguments that restrict the options to more than two but less than there really are are similarly fallacious.



    Logical Fallacies» False Dilemma / Bifurcation Fallacy

    I have repeatedly shown that there is at least one other option available. If you try to weasel your way out again I am done with you. Feel free to post your tripe again... or you could grow a pair and man up for a change.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    No. Regardless of whether or not redskin is a slur, I don't call people by their race 99% of the time.
    Unless I am confused by your intent... I don't call people by their race 100% of the time. I doubt there are many outside Redneck Hillbilly Land who do.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Its really that simple, isn't it?
    Not according to Deezad... don't let him get his hooks into you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    I guess it depends on the context.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't believe offense matters. The question is: do racial slurs (or stereotypes as some would argue) harm society. The answer is yes. On this ground I support removing the name, not on grounds of offense.

    I find offense to be irrelevant.
    How does the name Redskins harm society...??
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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