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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    "In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name “Washington Redskins” offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them."

    But a handful of 'activists' are playing soft white liberals, riding that white guilt pony for all it is worth. The sad thing is...those that pretend to actually care about this dont ACTUALLY give a **** about Indians and never have.
    Keep spinning, keep making excuses. Its an offensive term, you're wrong, get over it.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    "In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name “Washington Redskins” offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them."

    But a handful of 'activists' are playing soft white liberals, riding that white guilt pony for all it is worth. The sad thing is...those that pretend to actually care about this dont ACTUALLY give a **** about Indians and never have.
    What do you base this on? President Obama has done a lot for American Indians.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I already stated that TWICE now, so let me do it again.

    I recognize that SOME people within that group do find it offensive to be labeled as such, so when dealing with people on a direct level where I have to reference race I tend to go with the word with the least potential to offend that would normally be in my vocabularly regarding that race.

    A PERSON finding a word offensive is different than the word inerently being only usable in an offensive manner.

    It's also because it's a situation where I'm directly referencing a person. Referencing things AROUND a person is a situation that needs less discretion. If I'm having to reference a black person by their race, I'm probably going "african american". If I'm talking about racial relations AROUND a black person, I'll probably talk use the word "black" as a reference to that race.

    The reason for that is I think, in general, people are less apt to reasonably look at the context of a statement that is directed at them then a generalized one because of the personal nature of it. So the more likely a scenario is that I think someone will quickly take offense if they find something offensive, the more I'll try to be polite and go with the least likely to offend topic or word. The less likely that they'll take quick offense in a scenario, the more natural I'll let myself speak.

    But because I'm not an ass or a hyper partisan type looking to make a point in everything I do, I don't go out of my way to use words or express views or thoughts that don't normally come to my mind simply to prove a point.

    I've never suggested there aren't native americans that find Redskins offensive in all forms, OR that would find it offensive when used specifically in the modern day to refer to them or their race. I absolutely acknowledge it CAN be used in an offensive manner, and some ARE offended. And because I have politeness and tact, when I'm addressing someone specifically (or a group of someones specifically) I'm going to go with the least objectionable. But what I have suggested is that it's not ALWAYS offensive in all contexts and that a majority of native americans are not significantly offended or bothered by it as a name of a sports team.
    I can see what you are saying, and might even agree with you.

    My own take on it is whether a significant part of a group of people finds it offensive. When it is a small minority, I put it down to people simply wanting to be offended. But when it is a larger minority or majority, I tend to think there is cause for it to be considered offensive. For example, words can change to being offensive to a significant minority when they are in widespread use with even a derogatory tone.

    I haven't really definitively heard whether the word 'redskin' offends very many these days. I wouldn't use it in the contexts meant by the OP because I just don't mind being cautious, and I know that there is a perfectly accepted phrase that has the necessary meaning. So, I can sympathize with anyone that has actually addressed the OP by stating that they wouldn't use it in the contexts meant by the OP, and yet state that this doesn't necessarily mean that the word is offensive.

    The OP attempts to make a point that avoidance of the use of a potentially offensive word in place of an accepted word means that the potentially offensive word is in fact offensive. I think it fails to make that point.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Funny how you think that it is something a kid would do rather than an adult, and yet AmericanWoman 'liked' my post.

    I wouldn't ask the question because I already have enough information along those lines. However, there is nothing wrong with asking people about themselves and the specific context of their lives. Thus, if I did want to know, I would rephrase it slightly to the following "How did growing up part Mexican affect you? Did you notice any difficulties, or were things pretty smooth?" I would rephrase it this way only because I wouldn't want to make it seem like the experience of people in specific situations was monolithic.

    I disagree that an adult cannot ask about a person's experiences with regard to their race. I want to know first hand experiences because I believe it contributes to the ability to empathize. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    That said, it is irrelevant whether you think it is something a child would do. Any specific example of using a racial designation in front of a person can be conveniently characterized as 'immature' or whatever in order to attempt to avoid answering the question, but I think the person should have to repeatedly avoid answering the question so that it becomes very clear what that person is doing. You haven't answered the question once yet, and instead have been answering a different question - the question as to whether it is ok to name-call. Nobody is asking whether it is ok to name call. Everyone pretty much agrees it is not ok to name call, and that redskin would be a way to name call which would not be ok. Since that is the case, I wonder why you are so interested in making that point. But, I mean that rhetorically, I hardly need an answer from you to figure that one out.

    In that light, let's try again. Do you honestly think the OP was about name calling or do you think it was about the need to use a racial designation in front of a Native American person, and choosing between 'Native American' or 'Redskin'?
    I'm confused about what American Woman liking your post has to do with what I wrote?

    Do you honestly think the OP was about name calling or do you think it was about the need to use a racial designation in front of a Native American person, and choosing between 'Native American' or 'Redskin'

    The OP, as I've already said more than once, was another poll that was asking the same question as the first poll on here about the use of the word "Redskins". It was a trap for the people who said they don't think "Redskin" is a slur, and a feeble attempt to get people to rethink their answers by saying "Would YOU call someone a Redskin to his face"?

    I keep repeating that. The poll here is flawed. I also don't think "Blondie" is a slur, but I wouldn't call someone I don't know "Blondie". So the poll is flawed because he may as well have asked "Do you ever call a stranger a name other than his name?"

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yeah...especially when they live in areas where there a whole lot of black people committing crime. Damn racist cops..arresting black people for committing crimes.
    What? That sounds like a Stormfront rant.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    I doubt I'd call anybody a Redskin. It is incredibly prejudiced to assume someone is a member of a football team just because of their race.
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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    I LOL'ed at the obvious joke....but funnily enough here in Ashburn VA I'd dare say you're more likely to have a black person randomly called "redskin" than a native american.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    I agree with what Lizzie said on page 1:

    If everyone would try to stop being so freakin uptight about offending someone these days, and actually spend some time getting to know other people with different backgrounds, maybe all you people with severe cases of white guilt could get over your angst. It's rather pathetic.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Here is an article with a more nuanced context for that poll:

    How Many Native Americans Think ‘Redskins’ is a Slur? « CBS DC
    Ive posted that same article.

    “We just don’t think that (name) is an issue,” Yazzie said. “There are more important things like busing our kids to school, the water settlement, the land quality, the air that surrounds us. Those are issues we can take sides on.”
    “Society, they think it’s more derogatory because of the recent discussions,” Yazzie said. “In its pure form, a lot of Native American men, you go into the sweat lodge with what you’ve got — your skin. I don’t see it as derogatory.”
    Neither does Eunice Davidson, a Dakota Sioux who lives on the Spirit Lake reservation in North Dakota. “It more or less shows that they approve of our history,” she said.

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    Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

    No way, it wouldn't be polite.


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